Wednesday, November 23, 2011

Right Wingnut and the ABR crew, STRIKE OUT


This post is in response to a post that took a statement from a Romney 2007 interview, OUT OF CONTEXT.

Right Wingnut likes to post videos that take Romney's statements OUT OF CONTEXT. Right Wingnut's video states:

"GOV. ROMNEY:...........My own view is consistent with what you saw in the Lowell Sun, that those people who had come here illegally and are in this country--the 12 million or so that are here illegally--should be able to stay sign up for permanent residency or citizenship" 

THEN the video STOPS.

Here is the ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT : I've only pasted from Romney's statement and not the entire interview. If you want to read the whole thing, go HERE:
GOV. ROMNEY: Now let's, now let's look at those very carefully, OK, and you're, you're a careful reader. In the interview with The Boston Globe, I described all three programs that were out there, described what they were, acknowledged that they were not technically an amnesty program, but I indicated in that same interview that I had not formulated my own proposal and that I was endorsing none of those three programs. I did not support any of them. I called them reasonable. They are reasonable efforts to, to look at the problem. But I said I did not support--and I said specifically in that interview I have not formulated my own policy and have not determined which I would support. And, of course, the Cornyn proposal required all of the immigrants to go home. The McCain proposal required most of them to go home, but let some stay. And the Bush proposal I, frankly, don't recall in that much detail. But they had very different proposals. My own view is consistent with what you saw in the Lowell Sun, that those people who had come here illegally and are in this country--the 12 million or so that are here illegally--should be able to stay sign up for permanent residency or citizenship, but they should not be given a special pathway, a special guarantee that all of them get to say here for the rest of their lives merely by virtue of having come here illegally. And that, I think, is the great flaw in the final bill that came forward from the Senate.
MR. RUSSERT: But they shouldn't have to go home?
GOV. ROMNEY: Well, whether they go home--they should go home eventually. There's a set per--in my view they should be--they should have a set period during which period they, they sign up for application for permanent residency or, or for citizenship. But there's a set period where upon they should return home. And if they've been approved for citizenship or for a permanent residency, well, thy would be a different matter. But for the great majority, they'll be going home.
MR. RUSSERT: The children they had born here are U.S. citizens, so do the children stay here and the parents go home?
GOV. ROMNEY: Well, that's a choice, of course, the parents would, would make. But my view is that those 12 million who've come here illegally should be given the opportunity to sign up to stay here, but they should not be given any advantage in becoming a permanent resident or citizen by virtue of simply coming here illegally. And likewise, if they've brought a child to this country or they've had a child in this country, that's, that's wonderful that they're growing their families, but that doesn't mean that they all get to stay here indefinitely. We're fundamentally a nation of laws. And let me underscore something here that I think's awfully important, because this immigration debate can sound anti-immigrant to a lot of people. It's not intended to be that by myself or, I believe, by the vast majority of others that talk about it. We value legal immigration. We welcome people coming here with different cultures and skill and education, but we are a nation of laws. And our freedoms and our liberty are associated with following the law. We have to secure our border, we have to make sure there's an employment verification system to identify who's here legally and who's not. And then for the 12 million who've come here, welcome them to get in line with everybody else, but no special pathway.
Here is the entire Interview on video:

Right Wingnut, Your post was supposed to show that Romney had a different view in 2007 than he did last night in the debate when he criticized Gingrich. 


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Anonymous said...


Right Wingnut said...

How is it different? Romney wants to give them the opportunity to gain citizenship. Newt explicitly said they should not be afforded that opportunity.

I'll be interested to know his current stand on what should be done with the 11 million now. Just stating that he's against amnesty doesn't answer that question. Is he going to simply round them up and deport them? If not, then what? The electorat deserves to know. Newt's an is spelled out on his website. Voters have the opportunity to review it, and make their voting decisions based on that. Mitt should provide the same level of transparency.

This is not an endorsement of Newt's plan....I just want to know where Mitt and the others stand on this.

Kim said...


Was the video you posted, MISLEADING?

Right Wingnut said...

Kim, no it was not. Romney said what he said, and used the word "citizenship.". In other words, his stated policy stance would create more Democrat voters.

Carlo said...

"I just want to know where Mitt and the others stand on this."

Sure RW, Romney should just lay all his cards on the table up front. Tell them all, "Hasta la vista" That should attract the Hispanic vote.

Anonymous said...

So are admitting you were wrong to post an edited version of the clip??? are you trying to do the proverbial soft shoe on this one?? sad because up to now I thought you were honest... maybe you should admit screwed the pooch on this one... a twitter apology maybe???

Right Wingnut said...

Carlo, I guess you're right. He has the right to not tell us, so we have the right to not trust him.

Right Wingnut said...

Anon, it was absolutely not wrong. Romney said he favors citizenship for illegals. Period.

Doug NYC GOP said...

Anon, it was absolutely not wrong. Romney said he favors citizenship for illegals. Period. - RWN


Never said any such thing.

What he said is they can apply for citizenship like everyone else, BUT they should NOT benefit from being here first ILLEGALLY.

In others words, get in the back of the line.

I know you're a smart guy, so you should have this straight now.

GB said...


Just WOW!!!

The blatant dishonesty shown by Right Wingnut is disgusting.

What a dirt bag.

Doug NYC GOP said...

GB - go easy.

RWN can't help it.

He knows three things and can't get over point #3...

#1: Romney Will Be the GOP Nominee

#2: Romney Will Beat Obama

#3: Romney will serve for 8 yrs, meaning Palin can't run till 2020, at which time many new up and coming GOP Leaders will have made her a distant memory.

This is an acute case of sour grapes being played out in public.

Anonymous said...


Bottom line Gingrich is a big amnesty guy. His record shows that. He strongly supported 86 amnesty Law and he worked at Heritage on Amnesty legislation. Gingrich would be like GWB and John McCain. He would spend his efforts on the creation of Amnesty legislation verses securing the border. Gingrich is a HUGE Progressive just do some research, and if you do, I can not see how you can not arrive at that conclusion.

Romney has always been very consistent with his opposition to amnesty. He vetoed in state tuition and he gave the MA police the ability to enforce imigration law. Actually one of the top sheriffs in AZ supports Romney for President. I think that speaks volumes,we all know how illegal immigration has impacted the state of AZ.

Anonymous said...

Romney's stance is clearer now. It's get in the back of the line and apply for citizenship. In the meantime, there would be no benefits and employer verification.

The best part of Romney's stance is that the sympathy is not aimed at those who broke the law, like Newt, but more toward Americans.

Anonymous said...

And Romney wants to close the border, too.

GetReal said...

According to this interview, Romney thinks they should have to go home before they can get citizenship. You don't see that as a glaring difference with Newt's stated policy? Come on, RW, be objective. You can still dislike Romney while maintaining integrity and admit you weren't completely right about something. You're better than this.

Anonymous said...

RW! You're a disgusting liar! Just because the internet affords you a certain amount of anonymity doesn't mean you can just spread whatever lies pop into your head. I use to respect you...

Anonymous said...

Rightwing learned, sleaze from FOX.

hamaca said...

I thought the point of Newt's clip was to give everyone the illusion that Mitt favored easy citizenship for illegals back in 2007 by leaving out the part that they'd need to leave the country and then apply like everyone else.

I don't get the confusion here.

Teemu said...

In my opinion at toughest that can be interpreted as:

Go home, participate in green card lottery, or family reunification programs like other law following applicants have to do.