Thursday, November 17, 2011

Remember Sarah Palin?

(Caution to Palin fans: I like some of you [JerseyRepublican and company] but some of your comrades have earned what you are about to read). 

I took a stroll over to Conservatives4Palin just for kicks and giggles. And believe it or not, there are still quite a few loyal soldiers still dutifully manning the fort. They mostly reminisce over the good times and Sarah, of course.

(Quick humorous suggestion: Instead of challenging Nancy Pelosi to a debate, Rick Perry should go toe-to-toe with Mama Grizzly. Wouldn't that be an epic battle of wits?)

'What could they possibly talk about?' I hear you ask. I know, Sarah Palin's very long 15 minutes have finally run their course and she is nothing but a distant memory in our minds. But a Palin fan's mind works quite differently. Here is Steve Flesher, for example, castigating Ann Coulter for thinking.
So while it is true that many ideological and constitutional conservatives have come out of the woodwork adding to the movement, I contend it’s something to celebrate, not something to condemn.  What is disheartening is when someone like Ann Coulter — who I’ve always admired — jumps around unpredictably and seems to come out swinging against candidates like Newt only when it appears that Mitt Romney is threatened. 

Coulter and other usual pundits cannot celebrate and promote constitutionally-principled conservatives when it’s time to win a mid-term election only to turn around and damn them when it’s time to hold the Republicans accountable, too.
Flesher implies that Mitt Romney is not a constitutionally-principled conservative, whereas Newt, Palin, and the rest of the Not Romneys are. Hilarious. Of course, Flesher would not be able to cite a single example to back up his claim. But the Palin Follower's mind is not subject to the constraints of reason.

Reality-based conservatives have got to be more blunt when describing the Palin Bachmann Perry Cain Newt wing of the Republican Party. So I am going to start with Palin:

Dear Mr. Flesher,

Sarah Palin took your money. She may have been, at one time, a decent governor of Alaska, but she decided to quit so she could cash in on her instant fame of being John McCain's running mate. And the only reason why McCain picked her was because she is a woman and much easier on the eyes than Kay Bailey Hutchison. But regardless, Palin has spent the last few years, not arguing passionately for conservative ideas, but rather trying to appeal to a very narrow demographic that is hooked on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

For Palin, conservatism was reduced to a populist cultural war. She never once promoted specific solutions to our nation's problems. What are the tenants of Sarah Palin's conservatism? Principally that the media is unfair to Sarah Palin. Secondly, that the establishment is unfair to Sarah Palin. And lastly, that the big city liberals are unfair to Sarah Palin. It worked like a charm. Palin strung you along for three years but never had any intention of running for President. She only wanted to rake in millions of dollars and set herself up for life. She is a businesswoman. She only cares about conservatism if you will buy her book and pay to listen to her stumble through another speech. 

And yet, the one guy who you dismiss as a liberal is the one guy who didn't enrich himself in public service. There may be profound reasons to choose a different candidate than Romney. I do not agree with everything that Romney stands for. But can we please dispense with this nonsense that Palin, who once supported TARP and the Bridge to Nowhere, is somehow more constitutionally minded than Mitt?


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44 comments:

Right Wingnut said...

I'm glad you posted this. Now, I won't feel guilty about some of the Mitt posts I have in mind. Actually, a couple of them are ready to go. I'm just waiting for the right time. Maybe early December? What do you think? When would the anti- Mitt pieces have the maximum impact? If I wait until mid-December, people will be too focused on the holidays for them to have an impact. After New Year could be too late. Now might be a tad early.

When do you expect the heavy artillery to be unleashed?

Ohio JOE said...

"She never once promoted specific solutions to our nation's problems." Hahahaha even if that were the case, she is still one step up from you who cannot even identify of our national problems.

BOSMAN said...

HaHaHaHa!

Anonymous said...

Right Wingnut... you would be best advised to file those anti-Mitt pieces to file 13. (Trashcan if you prefer.)

Romney is our only chance of defeating Obama.

Anonymous said...

No one brought on Palin's problem except Palin. Well that is unless one want to count McCain for every picking her for VP.

Palin's REAL problem, she simply was not / is not / will not be qualified to be President.

Ohio JOE said...

"Romney is our only chance of defeating Obama." That is rather sad if that is the case.

Anonymous said...

Pablo...I normally agree with a lot that post but on this one I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. If she had run for President, she would have definitely proposed a plan and various solutions. She spoke in the same vague nuances that every potential cadidate spoke for the last three years.
Palin is a brand, and a very strong brand at that. She is not a distant memory and she will always have a loud and effective voice in reminding all of us about conservative principles. I'm guessing her decision not to run may have been made earlier this year so there could have been some "stringing along" effect, but I don't think she knew all along that we wasn't going to.
I do agree that Mitt is unfairly targeted as a liberal when everyone else gets a pass (expecially Newt), but it's not fair to call her out on her conservative principles just because her "wing" doesn't agree with us about Romney's conservatism.

Gordon

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter what you write RW (or link to, in most cases), you have already proven yourself to be widely inconsequential. Mainly because you’re just an empty, thoughtless, echo-chamber of populism. I have suffered through dozens of your poorly composed articles, reading as you strain to reach for an original thought that wasn't regurgitated from some other populist on some other website.

You have never approached politics with any sort of objectivity, and I can’t assume you'll start now.

You are driven by emotion, you have a complete lack of reason, and the only person who stand in aw of your hyperbolic laced rhetoric is Ohio Joe (mainly because you don't drool all over yourself, a quality he envies).

So unless you have been blessed by some sort of incredible miracle over the past few hours, I assume you’re still an ignorant populist whose grasp of political thought rivals that of a 4 year old child.

So please, go ahead, "unleash the heavy artillery!" I'm sure we will all be stunned by your intellectual prowess.

Right Wingnut said...

Haha, anon. Damn that's funny. For the record, I've never claimed to be a great writer. On a few occasions, I've even acknowledged my shortcomings. Part of it has to do with my lack of patience to spend the hours that would be necessary to compose a well written article. As a result you get bits and pieces of clipped articles, along with a few of my incoherent thoughts. Nobody is forcing you to read it. Sorry if I upset you.

Anonymous said...

Yes, God forbid you take the time to form a cognitive thought.

Lori Patriot said...

Look at Romney's resume, his accomplishments and his ACTUAL views NOT his reported views. If you were looking for a CEO, who would you hire? A guy that has turned abound 400 companies, lost a fraction of them, turned around a liberal bankrupt state and corrupt Olympics who also tackled big issues or the historian and ousted Speaker? It's obvious to most people that Romney is not only the most qualified, vetted and most decent, but the man for the job. Has he made mistakes---yes. Has he cut spending and upheld conservative principles----yes. Has he hired people that were later hired by Obama to cause trouble and who turned out to be unsavory---yes. You and Paulbots will give the election to Obama AGAIN.

http://americaneedsmitt.com
/blog/obamacare-romneycare-truth/

http://www.americaneedsmitt.com/blog/?s=resume

http://www.whyromney.com/praise_new.php

http://evangelicalsformitt.org/on-the-issues/

http://www.aboutmittromney.com/

Gov. Romney has earned the praise of conservative leaders:

“Charming. Smart. Conservative.”—National Review
“We couldn’t be happier with him.”—Barbara Anderson, Citizens for Limited Taxation (the leading taxpayer group in Massachusetts)
“On either [gay marriage or stem cells], a good case can be made that Romney has fought harder for social conservatives than any other governor in America, and it is difficult to imagine his doing so in a more daunting political environment.”—John J. Miller, National Review
“In the worst possible circumstances, he confronted one of the toughest issues of our politics with considerable moral seriousness and political skill. That’s the mark of a conservative statesman.”—Matthew Spalding, The Heritage Foundation
“I could in very good conscience support Romney as a fellow social conservative on most of the issues we care about.”—Chuck Colson
“As more Americans meet Mitt Romney, I think they’ll see beyond the handsome exterior and see not just a good salesman, but a thoughtful (and, yes, conservative) leader.”—Kathryn Jean Lopez, syndicated columnist and editor of National Review Online
“Mr. Romney could be an attractive presidential candidate. His sunny disposition puts one in mind of Ronald Reagan—he laughs easily and smiles almost continuously….[His] views put him well within the mainstream of GOP conservatism.”—James Taranto, Wall Street Journal
“On marriage and cloning, he has provided aggressive leadership as a positive, pro-family governor”—Kris Mineau, Massachusetts Family Institute
“Mitt Romney is a brave man. While the GOP glitterocracy attended the first gay wedding of one of their own, Gov. Romney was in Washington, D.C., making the single most eloquent and articulate defense of our traditional understanding of marriage I have heard from an American politician.”—Maggie Gallager, President, Institute for Marriage and Public Policy
“As a politician, Mitt Romney is considered by friend and foe to be the total package.”—Dean Barnett, The Weekly Standard

Noelle said...

There is no purpose in continuing to talk about Palin. Whether you like her or not, whether you support her or not, there is no benefit in alienating her supporters. Republican voters have a difficult job trying to unseat an incumbent, even if he is incompetent. We will not succeed if we continually set up the proverbial "circular firing squad."

I think we should all grow up, let bygones be bygones, and try to nominate the best possible candidate who can accomplish 2 goals: defeat Obama, and get our great nation back on track. I believe that person is Mitt Romney. If you (any of you) think it is someone else, make your case. Sarah Palin is not in the running, so let's leave her alone.

Anonymous said...

First, I want to say...Bravo Pablo! You wrote what many of us have been saying for three long years of Palin trash talk.

Secondly, RWN, you make my case. I have felt that Palin appeals to the most uneducated who lack writing skills and critical thinking skills. I'm glad you finally admitted that your thought process is as undeveloped as Sarah's.

My internet surfing time has become quite boring. All of the pro Palin groups have dried up and appear to be dead. C4P is still good for a good laugh with approx a dozen die hard fans still begging her to run. What happened to the "Reconsider" TV ad and the "Earthquake"? Both of those really dopey ideas have fizzled. I heard that Sarah and Piper used the 50 earthquake post cards she received as kindling in the fireplace. Sarah still has a few stalkers who will not let go of their fantasy. Thanks for all the laughs!

Anonymous said...

crtainly not for President, next year, certaily not for VP, certainly for a strong and important DPT.

Anonymous said...

I really don't know what the point is of poking at Sarah,now. She's not even running for office.

Anonymous said...

Great post pablo. I agree with most of what you wrote. RW you only post garbage and hit pieces on romney that you spend all day on google trying to find. I actually wouldnt mind if you post something that was factually true. So have at it, post something that will shock the nation and immediately cause romney's downfall.

Lets see..hmmm...obamneycare? oh wait, you have the latest romney flip flops?? maybe romney and his varmint gun? illegal lawn workers? getting rich and not caring about others?? haha have at it buddy..we all need some humor around here.

Anonymous said...

RW maybe you should come out to the media and say romney molested you at the olympics hahahhahaha, thats about the only thing that will cause a stir.

Paul said...

Bravo Pablo. Another pointedly true and insightful article. And I do not actively dislike Palin. I think she is OK as long as she is a loyal operative for the ideology that she purports to carry. I take issue with anyone's loyalty when they deliberately misrepresent a competetor's position, especially when done purly out of jealousy or opportunism, which I believe Sarah has done toward Mitt on occasion. Of course, all will be forgiven if she sees the light and works for the ultimate conservative good by supporting the obvious front-runner, instead of primarily promoting her own interests in pandering to her fans. There is no future against Obama with "Flavor-of-the-Month-but-Too-Much-Baggage" Newt... GET ON BOARD WITH MITT, SARAH!

Right Wingnut said...

The arrogance of the Mittheads is just too much.

I have made up my mind. I will not vote for Mitt in the general, and will convince others to do the same.

After he loses to Obama (assuming he's the nominee), you guys can all sit around and bitch about the reasons he lost. I could supply you with the reasons right now.

hamaca said...

RWN--you're actually letting people like that influence your decision? Why would you even pay attention to them. Not all Romney supporters are like that--I'd venture a guess it's only "5 percent" in fact. Unfortunately, they're the obnoxious, boisterous ones.

Do what you have to do, though, and best of luck.

Anonymous said...

well cry us all a river..booohoooo!! RW you're a petty and complete idiot. Go ahead and do your best in convincing people, they will do their own homework on the candidates and will vote for who they want, not based on what their grumpy old neighbor is telling them. Its obvious you dont care or want whats best for this country, your only desire now is that Romney loses so you can take your "online revenge" against some of his supporters, lol its all too funny.

Anonymous said...

And ill add if romney is hopefully the nominee and he loses to Obama, so be it. I will give him credit for running and putting his ideas through and working hard to change the course this country is going in. I am voting for romney because I believe he's the most electable, with the best plan, and like ann coulter said, he's someone that can actually talk and debate obama. You can whine and complain all you want that we dont have the perfect candidate but i believe romney is closest to perfect and he's the one i agree with most. At least he and others are trying, not like your queen palin who makes your hormones go crazy by teasing you when she doesnt have the guts or courage to run. Each of the other candidates that have risen and fallen has been by their own doing. Romney has been steady and I believe he can defeat Obama but it doesnt help when sore losers like yourself sit back and whine at others.

Right Wingnut said...

Go ahead and do your best in convincing people, they will do their own homework on the candidates and will vote for who they want, not based on what their grumpy old neighbor is telling them. Anon at xx:27

Reason #1 why Romney will lose...I don't know a single Romney supporter. Sure, some will reluctantly vote for him out of disdain for Obama, but I know others who will probably stay home if he's the nominee. In short...no enthusiasm for Mitt from the base.

Reason #2...the arrogance shown from Romney's supporters, Romney's advisors, and even Romney himself at times toward all other candidates their supporters. In short...unifying the party will be next to impossible.

Right Wingnut said...

There are dozens of reasons. Perhaps I'll compile them for a post in the next couple of weeks.

Graham Bradley said...

Right Wingnut

People "didn't know any Nixon supporters" in '72. That didn't prevent his landslide.

This is a big country, man.

Noelle said...

RW, I am surprised at you. I am surprised that a supporter of Sarah Palin is willing to work to put Obama back in the White House. You judge all Romney supporters harshly, and in my opinion, unfairly so. Perhaps you neglected to read my previous post in this very thread.

Anonymous said...

The Anon(s) on this post have been insufferably arrogant. That being said, I want to point out to RW that I consider myself part of the "base," so I don't know what other "base" he's talking about. I don't know any Palin supporters personally; does that mean that they aren't part of the "base?" Just sayin'.

AZ

Anonymous said...

P.S. I do think Pablo should not have touched this one. SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012! There is no need to say anything more about her unless she plays a further role in the election.

AZ

Right Wingnut said...

Noelle, Along with Hamaca and AZ, you have been one of the decent ones. However, you've been a bit out of character when discussing Newt. I saw some of your comments on Race. that didn't sound like you. I won't go overboard defending Newt, because he clearly has some warts.

Pablo said...

AZ,

I think that my biggest grievance is when REAL PATRIOTS put Mitt Romney in a group outside of conservatism. They have no rational reason for doing this. For every one of Romney's deviations from the conservative path, I can think of one by Palin or Newt. And I don't like how the Palin and Talk Radio folks get to define conservatism. I believe that those of us who believe in reality-based conservatism need to fight back. So that is why I poke at Palin's audience. She literally strung them along so she could rake in the cash. That is what happen. And I am sorry if it offends them, but this is the "conservatism" that they want. It's a reality show.

Anonymous said...

I certainly agree with this assessment of Sarah Palin. I was never a fan and never understood picking her for VP. I did try to see what certain people were seeing in her...never could. She comes off as a good salesperson to me. She certainly sold the Tea Party crowd on herself and her tease of running for president, when she was not doing anything that someone who would be running would do. I resent that she pulled into cities in her big old gas guzzling bus just to try and upstage some of the serious candidates. What kind of person does that? She is nothing but a media twit and Fox News is still asking her for her opinion. Does anyone seriously care what she thinks? She was building up her speaking fees and taking all of her 'followers' money and is now laughing all he way to the bank.

Ohio JOE said...

"Not all Romney supporters are like that" Yes you and a few others are examples of that. However, let's just say the Pablismo wing of the Romney camp is probably more than 5%. Yes there are Conservatives in the Romney camp, but the Generalismo with his bitter tirades against the people is not one of among them.

Anonymous said...

LOL Pablo! Now the wrath of being labled a 'palin hater' will be upon you too!

I go to C4P when I'm really in need of a good belly laugh. I am starting to think it's a fake comedy site, because these folks cannot be real!

Ohio JOE said...

You make a good point anon, Rombots cannot be real. In fact the jury is out as to whether the Generalismo himself is for real.

Anonymous said...

well RW to be honest I personally dont know any palin supporters but I do know a lot of palin haters and most of them are mitt haters as well, and maybe there's arrogance in some romney supporters but how is romney arrogant towards other candidates?

Anonymous said...

Pablo, in all honesty I could really care less what you think about Palin...or me(as a supporter of Palin)because you know nothing but disdain and hate for Rush Limbaugh and anybody else you feel you are smarter than. In my experience, most people who act that way are actually very self-conscious...most of the the time their superiority complex is based in low self-esteem.

Your facts regarding Palin aren't even based in reality. You, yourself have said that you don't waste your time reading or listening to her...so what could you possibly know, save for the lies you learned from the Frum Forum? You base your opinions on a small group of vocal people that you disagree with...if those people admire or respect a specific politician you unload vitriol onto that politician.

Hey whatever gets you through the day!!!

But I also must question what the point of this article is...Palin is not running for President...so hooray for you...I do find it funny that you're entire post is almost verbatim to what Ellie and Martha have been saying for the past couple of years...perhaps you're the unoriginal one?

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Hamaca...to be honest...I will have trouble voting for most of these candidates. If Romney is the nominee...I may just stay home...if Cain is the nominee...I might have to vote for Obama...because that man should not be allowed anywhere near the oval office. I can vote for Newt...and I would stay home for Perry.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Pablo, BTW...I kinda like you too. I just don't get your complete lack of disrespect for anybody who doesn't believe what you believe? You can be on this crusade against the base of the party but the fact remains that the base is needed to win elections...END OF STORY!!! I agree with very little social issues that base identifies themselves with but I understand that I don't have to agree with everything that every Social Conservative agrees with to be on the same side as them...I don't even have to believe with every position of a politician that earns my support. It's impossible and arrogant and will lead to nothing.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Jersey,

Do you ever notice how Pablo starts his little threads with his obnoxious thoughts and when he is challenged by you and others.....he just seems to disappear? Considering how much "smarter" he is than the rest of us, he should be able to wipe the floor with you.....I mean, the genius of Frum is running through his brain.

In reality, hardly anybody reads Pablo's inane dribble. The only way he can get any attention is to poke fun and belittle the Palin supporters with his "superior" intellect. In that regard, Pablo is just like his hero Frum...another moderate loser who thinks he is way more intelligent and important than he actually is.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

AJR, I used to enjoy his posts and his comments but somewhere along the way he became obnoxiously smarter than everybody else. He's actually a very bright guy with good intentions but,imo is wasting his time pigeon-holing every conservative in the same ironic way the Rombots, on this site, complain about their mistreatment.

jerseyrepublican

Pablo said...

Let me answer a few complaints.

1. I don't get to post very often. I work about 65 hours a week. I get a couple of hours a night to fiddle around with blogging.

2. While I respect some of the Palin folks here, I think that those of us who are more traditional Republicans need to fight back. I am tired of them defining conservatism for us.

Anonymous said...

Hey look....Pablo finally commented on his own post. Too bad he couldn't be bothered to respond to any of Jersey's statements.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

Pablo, "traditional Republicans," what does that even mean? Also, how are they defining what conservatism is? If you look at the basic tenets of the Tea Party...I don't even think you would disagree with it...sure a lot of the Far Right have attempted to co-opt the Tea Party but the basic message is still there. To say that just Tea Party Republicans or Talk Radio Republicans try to force their version of conservatism down the throats of all Republicans but the moderates don't attempt the same exact thing with their brand of Moderate Conservatism is either being naive or disingenuous. I get whose side your on but you're talking about a battle that is as old as the party...it's nothing new.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

AJR, I'm willing to cut Pablo some slack on this one...he did admit that this was a response to other Palin supporters.

I wish the people on this site weren't so obsessed with the vacuum that is C4P...but whatever.

I wish Pablo would go back to posting about specific policy/issues that the 2 groups might disagree upon, then perhaps we could have an intelligent debate rather than an infantile back and forth.

The real problem I have with a lot of the Romney supporters, on this site...Pablo included, is that they are more than willing to create opportunities to have Palin supporters mocked by anonymous posters.

Over the past year, the reason this site has thrived at all is due to the heavy participation of the few Palin supporters that frequent this site...otherwise it's just an echo chamber for the pro-Romney crowd...which achieves about as much as C4P does.

jerseyrepublican