Tuesday, November 22, 2011

Evangelicals for Infidelity and Greed

I have lamented before about the likelihood of my coreligionists opting for Newt Gingrich over Mitt Romney. Here we have empirical proof to back up my prediction.
Here's an interesting bit from Quinnipiac University's new poll showing Newt Gingrich nipping Mitt Romney.

Among born-again evangelicals, Newt actually performs better than he does among all Republican voters. Gingrich grabs 29% of evangelicals, while Romney picks up just 16%.

Contrast that with Newt's small 4% lead over Mitt, overall, and it's clear that something is at work among evangelicals.
The contrast between Newt and Mitt could not be clearer. Newt is currently on his third marriage with his second mistress. His second affair came at the same time he was blasting Bill Clinton for doing the same. Mitt Romney has been married to the same woman for forty plus years. 

Newt demanded that Barack Obama give back campaign cash from Freddie and Fannie Mac even though the former House Speaker collected at least $1.6 million in political money from the same organizations. Newt's think tank collected around $37 million from health care companies, who wanted Newt to talk up the big government Medicare Part D to his pals in Washington. In contrast, Mitt got rich in the private sector and has not made a dime in public service, even giving up his salary as governor of Massachusetts to charity.

And then there is the whole thing about the tongue. I believe that the book of James has an entire chapter devoted to it. Ironically, herein lies one of the real reasons why conservative evangelicals won't go for Romney.  Newt would gladly lie, curse, and destroy anybody who happens to appear like a political opponent. He has called the Obama administration "socialists" and "fascists" on various occasions and often in the same sentence. Romney on the hand has refused to participate in the name calling and appears less conservatives (read strident) to right-wingers. It appears that political evangelicals care nothing about the unruly nature of the tongue despite the stark warnings in God's Word. They love the lies and disrespectful rhetoric coming from talk radio and they love it coming off of Newt's tongue as well.

The most illogical part of evangelicals' relationship with Newt Gingrich is that he is not an evangelical. He is Catholic. Or at least he has been since slightly before the time he entered the presidential race. But evangelicals long ago made their peace with Catholics despite the fact there is just as much space between Cathoclic and Evangelical doctrine as there is between Mormon and Evangelical doctrine. But Mormons, in the modern Evangelical mind, have been designated as a cult. So that's why it is more godly to support a three-women, lying slimeball than a man that is a walking embodiment of family values.

Up is down and down is up these days.


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41 comments:

Right Wingnut said...

More religion baiting? When will you figure it out. Romney just doesn't connect well with a majority of GOP voters.

Ohio JOE said...

"despite the fact there is just as much space between Cathoclic and Evangelical doctrine as there is between Mormon and Evangelical doctrine." Not that is matters per se, but by enlarge, this statement is not factually correct.

Right Wingnut said...

The Democrats are the ones who are preparing to make Mitt's faith an issue. Politico and Washington Post are already profiling his dealings with women while he was Bishop Romney.

Ohio JOE said...

Yes RW, Mormons and to some extend Catholics and Jews are in for a surpise. Those mean an nasty bigoted Evangelicals will not seem so bad once radical Secular Leftists run the whole show. It might be too late by the time people realize it.

Anonymous said...

Pablo, You said this so much better than I could have. You hit the nail on the head for sure.

But, but, what religious bigotry? We hear it all the time, and nothing proves it better than Evangelicals going for the wife-cheater. Does this put their hypocrisy into sharp relief or what?!

I've seen the remarks from religious leaders about how Newt has asked 'forgiveness' and all that crap. They can forgive Newt for heaven only knows what, but Romney is the one with no core.

Personally, I do not need to forgive Newt--he's done nothing against me personally. But I will take what I know of his character, or lack thereof, and use it in my determination.

Thanks for posting this.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

RW, I'm real worried about the profiles of Romney dealing with the women in his church---not.

There is that one old story of the woman claiming Romney said things about abortion that I doubt he ever said.

From the accounts I've read, Romney was an effective leader and generally very nice man, helping people in his community as much as he could. I know it doesn't fit the evil, elitist rich guy who lies about abortion narrative, but hey, you'll just have to deal.

-Martha

leighrow said...

I think this just proves that the Evangelicals have no moral compass and are only doing the religious bit to make money. Gingrich is too polarizing and will not win the general election.He will not win the women's vote or the Independents or moderates.

Oh well, I think I will make it a point to donate to the Mormon or I should say the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints this holiday season.

Anonymous said...

In spite of this, Romney will prevail, and the Evangelicals will lose more influence in the party, and that's a good thing.

-Martha

Right Wingnut said...

leighrow,

I have a suggestion...go around to different sites, and repeat that as often as you can. Oh...make sure you specify that you're a Romney supporter. Mitt needs all of the help he can get!

Anonymous said...

The only thing more certain than Pablo trashing Evangelicals, the Right Wing, Talk Radio and the Tea Party in every post is that Martha will be kissing up to him. How's the brown nose, Martha?

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

Another thing certain is that leighrow will be coming up with an insane conspiracy theory any time now.

A.J.R.

leighrow said...

RW-

I have, and I will continue to do so....do you have a problem with that or do you wish to sensor all views that aren't anti-Romney???

Anonymous said...

One more thing that I am certain of is Pablo never responding to any statements from RW, OJ, Jersey or anyone else who questions what he has to say.

A.J.R.

Pablo said...

AJR,

I am evangelical. I could give you more details if you like. And the kissing up line is just stupid.


RW,

Is it religious bating for me to point out the hypocrisy?

Right Wingnut said...

Leighrow, No...I think it's great that you're out saying that. Just make sure they know you support Mitt!

Ohio JOE said...

"I know it doesn't fit the evil, elitist rich guy who lies about abortion narrative, but hey, you'll just have to deal." Does it ever occur to you Martha, that people just do not agree with Mr. Romney's policies. It does not mean that we think he is evil, we hate Mormons, we think he is a poor businessman or think that he beats his wife. Not all of us want him as President. You do not then have to dream up such non-sense.

Anonymous said...

Pablo,

Are you a self-hating Evangelical? All you do is trash them at every opportunity.

I don't think the kissing up line is stupid...you should be honored. You have a fan.

A.J.R.

leighrow said...

AJR-

So it may not be a conspiracy theory, but you do have to agree that there is an organized anti-Romney movement-just reference RW's anti-Romney's web site and Hannity brought up the anti-Romney sentiment held by Evangelicals and supposed conservatives in his interview with Romney yesterday.

The GOP is fractured and stands no chance of winning in 2012 because of the divisiveness of the anti-Romney crusade. The Romney supporters did not initiate this war it was the anti-Romney nut jobs.

I have never seen this before..someone please explain to me why people can't just support their respective candidates without having to form some lame coalition for the soul purpose of destroying another candidate within their own party?

Ohio JOE said...

"Is it religious bating for me to point out the hypocrisy?" Just because they might be hypocrits does not mean that they are necessarily anti-Mormon.

Right Wingnut said...

leighrow,

There is also an anti-Perry movement, an anti-newt movement, an anti-Palin movement, an anti-Paul movement, etc...

Politics aint beanbag.

Ohio JOE said...

"but you do have to agree that there is an organized anti-Romney movement" Yes there is an organized anti-Romney movement. But hello, there is an organized anti-Obama movement, an organized anti-Cain movement, an organized anti-Gingrich movement, an arganize anti-Paul movement, an organized anti-Perry movement. This stuff is nothing new.

Ohio JOE said...

Arrrrrrrgh, you beat me to the punch RW.

Pablo said...

"Are you a self-hating Evangelical? All you do is trash them at every opportunity."


No, I don't. However, according to this poll there are quite a few of hypocritical evangelicals in the Republican Party. It is not hating evangelicals to point this out. I am sorry you are confused about this. You think that admitting failures is being a turncoat.

VarietyIsTheSpiceOfLife said...

"The most illogical part of evangelicals' relationship with Newt Gingrich is that he is not an evangelical. He is Catholic."

You mean, for now?

Anonymous said...

leighrow,

You are fairly new to this site so I will give you a brief history of what has happened here to non-Romney supporters.

RW, OJ, Jersey & myself were Palin supporters when we thought that she may run for President. For most of this year, we were mocked & talked down too by Martha, Ellie, Pablo & others (mainly scores of Anon posters). All they did was make fun of us, call us stupid, dirty old men, fools, suckers & many other things. We were forced to defend Palin 24/7, even against charges that Palin wasn't the mother of her son Trig. After being attacked for months...you start to get a bit tired of it.

I agree with you about just supporting your candidate but we never had that chance here or at other sites like Race42012 (where we were also mocked). Not every Romney supporter did that here (namely AZ, hamaca, Noelle, DanL, GetReal & a few others) but many did.

A.J.R.

Right Wingnut said...

Leighrow,

That site took me about 20 minutes to set up. Most of those posts were originally posted here. It takes a minute to copy the post over there. I don't promote the site, and rarely link to it. It has gotten a grand total of 1889 hits in 8 months. I have no grand plans for it.

Anonymous said...

To the heads-in-sand folks: There is such a thing as anti-Mormon sentiment within the evangelical community. It is not a fantasy. It is well-documented. It reared it's ugly head in Iowa and SC last time, with Huck's encouragement. (I'm happy to see he is mending his ways.)

It appears to be happening again with this latest poll showing Evangelicals going to the slimeball, rather than to Romney.

Does it matter? I don't think it will. I think Romney will be just fine without the bigots. People like Jeffress, Fischer, the AFA and a host of other pastors/leaders. They are marginalizing themselves. Vander Platts stlyes himself as the kingmaker in Iowa, but he's in for a sad surprise.

-Martha

Terrye said...

I have heard evangelicals make some comments about Romney and his faith that I found odd..but I would not think that would make them go to Newt Gingrich...I mean come on..the guy is a joke..there are other candidates such as Santorum and Bachmann would possess the kind of qualities they say they value..why go for Newt?

Anonymous said...

Pablo,

Not confused...just pointing out that I have never read anything from you saying something good about Evangelicals. It is always negative comments.

A.J.R.

Pablo said...

AJR,

The fact that you actually get so offended when I say something negative about Palin is more revealing about yourself than it is me. I promise. I have never been offended by any attack on Romney. In fact, I will gladly criticize him right now if you would like. I can vote for Romney because he is the only adult in the room, but that doesn't mean that I have hitched my wagon to whatever he says. The reason why Palin supporters are so open to attack is because it looks like a personality cult.

But I digress. I give you and the rest of the former Palin folks props for sticking it out here. I am quite sure that that Christy Alaska Report blogger is no longer interested in politics now that Palin has diminished. I appreciate the fact that you guys are letting go and moving forward. Even though we disagree on so much.

Right Wingnut said...

Martha, Are Evangelicals Racist and sexist too? Afterall, they abandoned Cain and Bachmann too. What do they have against Perry? Are they anti-Texan?

leighrow said...

A.J.R.

Thanks.

Pablo said...

AJR,

I would challenge you to find one negative statement I have made about evangelicals other than the point I am making here: their hypocrisy regarding "values." In fact, I think that I have only made this point two or three times. This is not a subject that I bring up much because it gives me a sense of shame.

Oh, and Romney will not likely win SC. I say that a lot as well.

Right Wingnut said...

Pablo, AK report disappeared a long time ago. C4P posts generate almost as many comments now as they did pre-announcement.

Pablo said...

RW,

I think that is a fair point. I was surprised by the activity at C4Palin the other day. However, I am not sure that that reflects them moving on. I think it continues because they all hope that Palin will swoop in and save the day.

Right Wingnut said...

Pablo,

There are quite a few who think Palin may reconsider. I'm not in that camp.

Some support Newt...others hate Newt.

Some support Perry...others hate Perry.

Very few support Cain...most see him as utterly unqualified.

I can think of two who are leaning Romney, but most are totally opposed to him.

Most commenters (including myself) are in no hurry to latch on with a candidate right now.

Right Wingnut said...

We have some lively debates at C4P. It gets a bit tense at times.

hamaca said...

No...I think it's great that you're out saying that. Just make sure they know you support Mitt!

LOL! That was quite funny.

Anonymous said...

I have been following the issue of religion and politics pretty closely for about four years now. I have two comments about what I have observed.

1) Many of these evangelicals who hate Mormons also hate Catholics. I have read articles that contain quite a lot of bigotry directed toward Catholics.

2) There is a certain amount of anti-Mormon doubt/bigotry that Mitt faces--mostly from evangelicals at this time. No one knows for certain just how strong or deep these feelings are. If evangelicals choose the thrice-married [hopefully] former adulterer over Mitt, it will make quite a statement. Certainly not a good one about people who believe in family values.

By the way, there is no doubt that the anti-religion secular left hates Mormons and all other religious people more and the vitriol hasn't really begun yet.

AZ

Ohio JOE said...

Good to hear your perspective AZ, yes to be sure, some Evangelicals cannot stand either Mormons or Catholics. To a degree, all three religions have differences and similarities with each other. We can look for common ground, respect each other and tolerate each other while each holding true to our own principle. Perhaps I am naive and have not experience the same as others in America, but I believe that the majority in all three religions are tolerant despite a few bad apples.

As for Mr. Romney's adultery, while I neither approve of his personal actions or his politics, not all Gingrichites are comfortable with his personal actions, most either forgive him or overlook them.

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