Friday, September 9, 2011

ROMNEY, PERRY and SOCIAL SECURITY

The last debate and , probably the next debate, will feature a continuing dialog between Mitt Romney and Rick Perry on Social Security, framed upon statements they both have made in published books and recent comments. It is instructive to look at these published comments and compare them, before the " spinmeister's " begin excising clips from the two candidate's published comments , to seek advantage. Therefore, I will attempt to focus on this issue using only actual published comments from both no older than 12 months.

Rick Perry wrote a book that was published last November ( 2010 ) entitled
" Fed Up ! Our Fight to Save America from Washington". Here are Perry's published comments about Social Security:
** " Social Security is something we have been forced to accept for more than 70 years now."
** Social Security is a " crumbling monument to the failure of the new deal."
** Social Security is a ".. monstrous lie."
** Social Security is " ..a Ponzi scheme " and " Ponzi schemes, like the one that sent Bernie
Madoff to prison, are illegal in this country for a reason. They are fraudulent systems
designed to take a lot of money at the front end and pay out none at the end. This
unsustainable insanity is the true legacy of Social Security and the New Deal. Deceptive
accounting has hoodwinked the American public into thinking that Social Security is a
retirement system and financially sound, when clearly it is not."

These are Perry's words verbatim. Readers should note that the implication is that Social Security is a CRIME of INTENT. A Ponzi scheme is ILLEGAL. "Hoodwinked" implies an intent to defraud. Who exactly is doing this and exactly who should go to jail is something Governor Perry needs to be specific on.

In contrast, Governor Romney wrote a book which was published this past spring, entitled
"No Apology, the Case for American Greatness". In that book , Romney had several specific comments on Social Security. More importantly, Romney also suggested several ways to begin fixing a program that many senior Americans rely on. Let's see what he said:

** pp 46......" In one of our Republican primary debates, for example, we were asked
" Specifically, what would you do to fix Social Security ?" Most responded by restating
the problem that Social Security is bankrupt rather than by addressing a solution;
politicians have learned from experience that it is unwise to " touch the third rail of
American politics." But, why is that ? Why is it that the media don't hold accountable those
who duck this critical issue? Why isn't it instead that FAILURE to address entitlement and
Social Security REFORM ids the third rail?"

** pp 157-158....To put it in a nutshell, the American people have been effectively defrauded
out of their Social Security. In 1982, the government raised Social Security taxes with the
intention of creating a surplus that could be set aside in some fashion for the baby
boomers..."
" But for the last thirty years, the surplus has been spent, not on retirement security, but
on regular items."

** " It is important to conduct the entitlement discussion without scaring our senior citizens,
which is why the reforms that are necessary must be made concurrent with guarantees to
our elderly that their benefits will not be slashed and the promises they relied upon will
not be broken..." , that "........solutions will not be crafted with them ( seniors ) as targets."

Then Romney begins to address specific solutions for fixing Social Security:

** pp 158-159 : " From a mathematical perspective , there are at least four ways one could
repair Social Security. "

1. " Congress and the president could raise the Social Security tax rate or apply it to a
greater share of an individual's earnings, or some combination of both" ......" but, we
would saddle the next generation with the very tax burden we are seeking to avoid."

2. " We could gradually increase the retirement age "

3. " We could change the way high income individual's initial Social Security benefits are
calculated. At present, the initial benefit for all recipients is keyed to the total amount of
their lifetime employment income and the Social Security taxes paid on it, adjusted for
inflation before retirement. But the inflator that is used in the calculation isn't the
consumer price index ( CPI ), as you might suspect, but rather the wage index.Because
wages have gone up a good deal faster than consumer prices, the wage index raises the
starting point for S.S. benefits faster than if the CPI had been used." An alternative
would be to "......use the wage index as the inflator for low and middle-income citizens"
who rely on Social Security, but " apply the CPI index to compute the initial benefits for
higher income individuals who are not living predominantly on Social Security benefits."

4. " Individual retirement accounts offer a fourth option, one that would allow today's
wage earners to direct a portion of their Social Security tax to a private account rather
than go entirely to pay the benefits of current retirees."
" also like the fact that the individual retirement accounts would encourage more
Americans to invest in the private sector that powers our economy."
" But given the volatility of investment values...I would prefer that individual accounts
were added to Social Security, not diverted from it, and that they were voluntary."

So, here we have the controversy in " a nutshell." Perry says Social Security is an illegal scheme foisted upon the American public. He says nothing about fixing the problem, nothing about sustainability. The implication is that someone is benefiting from the " scheme" and should be punished , but says nothing about how seniors can be protected, as the guilty are hauled away and the " monstrous lie " is , presumably terminated and replaced with.....what ?

Romney says the program must be fixed so we can sustain the pledge we made to seniors, in good faith, 70 years ago. He offers specific, well crafted ideas to help redress the problems with the Social Security system and provide confidence to the seniors of today and tomorrow that their retirement program is solvent and ready for them at retirement.

You decide. Who has the rational approach to the problem? All we know is what we read.

CraigS


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17 comments:

J said...

This is the one issue I disagree with Mitt Romney on.

Social Security is a legal Ponzi scheme enacted by Progressives in Congress and the White House over 70 years ago. It kept alive by both Democrats and Republicans in office.

Eliminating Social Security and other entitlement programs would be awesome but not politically feasible.

Even though I disagree with Romney on validity and Constitutionality of these programs, I agree with his solutions to the problem given that total elimination of these programs is not politically possible.

Romney has clearly thought this issue through and has a solid plan for reforming and fixing Social Security. Perry hasn't thought of a plan.

Right Wingnut said...

J,

What exactly is Romney's plan to fix social security? In rather general terms, he laid out a few options in the book...but, I've never heard him articulate exactly what his plan for reform is.

craigs said...

RW
What part of the four specific steps Romney suggested do you disagree with ?

CraigS

Right Wingnut said...

Craig,

He didn't say he would take those steps. In fact, he seems to be against step 1.

What EXACTLY does HE plan to do?

craigs said...

J
The only thing that makes it Ponzi sceme....is the government raiding the SS fund for non retirement funds. It was never set up that way and even the legislation in the 80's did not presume this would happen. One possible correction would be to put SS funds in a real Lock Box

CraigS

craigs said...

RW
Actually, on page 159, he says the last 3 proposals would more than correct the problems......and these are included in the 60 plus recommendations at the end of his book......and will be further explained in detail during the campaign

CraigS

Right Wingnut said...

This is all I could find in his 59 point plan.

With respect to Social Security, there are a number of options that can be
pursued to keep the system solvent—from raising the eligibility age to changing
the way benefits are indexed to inflation for high-income retirees. One option
that should not be on the table is raising the payroll tax or expanding the base
of income to which the tax is applied. Similarly, with respect to Medicare, the
plan put forward by Congressman Paul Ryan makes important strides in the right
direction by keeping the system solvent and introducing market-based dynamics.
As president, Romney’s own plan will differ, but it will share those objectives.


That tells me he either isn't serious about it, or he doesn't want to be pinned down on a position. He's going to have to be more specific...especially if he continues to criticize Perry on the issue.

craigs said...

RW

Yeah, but what is Perrys plan? It should be pretty easy to cost out the 3 specific suggestion in the book and I think he'll do so in the campaign.The problem is the government milking the fund. Changes won't help if that doesnt stop

CraigS

Right Wingnut said...

craig,

I don't know what Perry's plan is either, but his big problem will be messaging. He doesn't have the political skill to explain reform to a national audience without scaring the hell out of seniors...even if his plan is similar to what Romney eventually comes up with.

Right Wingnut said...

Perry will get beat over the head on this issue in Monday's debate. I suspect Perry will be prepared with a response. It's going to get ugly. For now, I hope Romney fatally damages Perry on the issue. That further opens the door for Palin.

Right Wingnut said...

If Palin gets in, expect her to bridge the gap between Perry and Romney on the issue. She will present herself as the one who will save Social Security. Bank on it.

Right Wingnut said...

Perry's biggest problem is that he lacks political talent and skill. That's not something that can be learned or overcome in one election cycle. His style may have worked in Texas, but he's in the big leagues now. Much like a rookie pitcher in a late September call up from AA, I expect him to get hit hard from here on out.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, CraigS, for your careful textual analysis and hard work on this issue. A great service to the readers of this blog.

Your conclusions speak for themselves. Romney has spent time thinking through the serious Social Security funding problem and has offered a menu of constructive solutions for public debate. Perry has done neither.

As you say, a "Ponzi Scheme" requires a criminal intent to enrich oneself by defrauding others of their money. Charles Ponzi was a crook. Bernie Madoff is a colossal thief. Both went to jail.

Even Perry would be hard-pressed to name the "criminals" of earlier generations (my mom? dad? grandparents?) who have enriched themselves by intentionally defrauding future generations of their SS benefits.

Ohio JOE said...

"He didn't say he would take those steps. In fact, he seems to be against step 1." Right, nobody understands what he is trying to say.

"The only thing that makes it Ponzi sceme....is the government raiding the SS fund for non retirement funds" Ah, no, the whole thing is technically a ponzi scheme. It is troubling that both you and Mr. Romney refuse to see the truth. Stop digging yourself deeper SS is a losing issue for Mr. Romney.

Massachusetts Conservative said...

Ohio Joe

If SS is a losing issue for ANYBODY, it's PERRY. He's effectively conceded Florida to Romney here.

Romney wants to save Social Security WITHOUT RAISING TAXES, and Perry hates it, and has no ideas on how to fix it.

Big contrast. One is presidential, the other is an unelectable talking head.

Anonymous said...

Who's spinning the SS for Perry?? Many at Fox, altho Huckabee did support Mitt's position this morning, many have been "spinning" to help Perry. Then there's Beck, Limbaugh, etc. I understand the "tell it like it is" mentality because I'm like that myself often, but that is NOT going to go in a general election and hopefully not in the primary!! Perry is a guy who shoots his gun before he takes it out of his holster!

Ohio JOE said...

"many have been "spinning" to help Perry." The only people that are spinning are the Romneyites. This I spoke to a former city councilman who supported Mr. Romney in 2008. He told me that he is now a Perryite in part because of SS. He said that while he himself would vote for Mr. Romney in the general election, he realizes that Mr. Romney cannot win the support of Tea Partiers in the general election because of his desperate support of SS. By supporting SS, Mr. Romney is solidifying his image as a liberal.