Thursday, June 2, 2011

Barry Goldwater Anyone?

(Warning: The following post contains a lot of Sarah Palin's poll numbers. If you have struck a fancy to Sarahcuda, then you might want to look away.)

I have longed argued that the Republican Party needs to address the issues important to the political middle of the country. However, how successful could the Republican Party be if it only addressed the issues of the Tea Party movement? Luckily, we can know. Thanks, PPP.
I'm sure there is some state where Sarah Palin is popular...but I'm not sure we'll ever get around to polling the Oklahomas or Idahos or Utahs of the world. Here are Palin's state by state numbers:
State
Palin Favorability
Spread
West Virginia
41/47
-6
Montana
44/50
-6
Mississippi
42/50
-8
Nebraska
42/50
-8
Texas
42/53
-11
Tennessee
39/51
-12
South Dakota
37/55
-18
Georgia
35/56
-21
Missouri
33/56
-23
Ohio
34/58
-24
South Carolina
34/58
-24
Minnesota
35/60
-25
Alaska
33/58
-25
Michigan
34/60
-26
North Carolina
32/59
-27
Nevada
34/61
-27
Florida
32/60
-28
Pennsylvania
33/61
-28
Colorado
32/62
-30
Arizona
32/62
-30
Wisconsin
32/63
-31
Virginia
31/62
-32
Maine
31/64
-33
New Mexico
31/64
-33
Iowa
29/63
-34
Washington
29/65
-36
New Jersey
27/65
-38
California
28/67
-39
New Hampshire
28/67
-39
Massachusetts
27/68
-41
Rhode Island
24/69
-45

Ouch! There is a chance if Sarah Palin becomes the nominee that she could lose Alaska. I repeat, Alaska. Sarah Palin literally does not speak for 2/3rds of Alaskans.

Now I know that the Palin fans here hate me because I point out obvious truths about the former half-term governor of Alaska, but I am going to offer some advice to Palin if she wants to get her numbers up. Of course, we know that she doesn't, because she is more interested in making money.

1. Stop playing the politics of grievance. Every time you respond to a perceived insult, you look like a child. Be the adult in the room and don't respond to whoever it is that you think is after you. You could do well to observe Romney in this regard. It really boils down to discipline or the lack thereof.

2. Stop whining about the media. The "lamestream media" did not make you look stupid. You did. It may be too late, but go back on Katie Couric and prove to the world that you are not an idiot. If you really aren't, then you should have no problem answering any question that is directed at you. You will never change the minds of your critics by only doing interviews with Judge Janine.

3. Talk policy. I think you have begun to do this a little bit. Time to really ratchet it up though. Get into details. You need to show that you are concerned with the outside world, not just Sarah Palin.

4. Don't divide the country. If you were to become the President, you would be responsible for leading the entire country. However, you will never get to the White House as long as you imply that city people aren't real Americans.

It is probably too late. If Sarah Palin's intentions all along have been to make a lot of money, then she is smarter than all of us. If her intentions were to contribute to the American political system, then she has shown a sad lack of wisdom in the creation of her political persona.

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

She's not all that hot in Utah or Idaho either.

CraigS said...

I remember barry Goldwater. I worked on Goldwater's team.
Barry had better numbers than these

CraigS

Anonymous said...

You might as well get used to it Pablo, if Palin enters the race...she will probably win. Showing polls that are 6 months old won't help you. In 6 months from now...she'll be on her way to winning Iowa and then placing in NH and winning South Carolina. Romney can spend a billion of his own dollars this time around and he still will not win the nomination.

Just sayin'...

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Also Pablo, if Palin wins the nomination...will you vote for her? Or will you vote for the incumbent?

jerseyrepublican

Doug NYC GOP said...

"...probably win."

Wishful thinking.

She loses to Romney in head to head in Iowa by a solid 7pts.

Anything is possible though I guess.

Doug NYC GOP said...

CraigS,

I thought your heading down the Lloyd Benston road...

I remember Barry Goldwater.
I worked on Goldwater's team.
Governor, you're no Barry Goldwater.

Anonymous said...

You know what Pablo, I can only speak for myself, but I honestly do not hate you. I feel you are misinformed and have no desire to learn about Sarah Palin. You take the media account for what it is. You accept the opinions of Krauthammer and Frum because you idolize them...that's fine it just makes your thoughts that much more irrelevant. There is not one original thought you have about Governor Palin. You have admitted to never having watched most of her interviews or speeches. You never watched the Madison Rally, her Long Island Q&A, her Hong Kong speech...hell I don't even think you read any of her posts or op-eds...how could you possibly understand what kind of person or politician Palin is? But again, I repeat, I don't hate you because you never contribute to your own conversations. Once a week you become a Sarah Palin bomb thrower...probably to prove to yourself that you can get more than 2 comments to any of your posts...but I don't hate you...get involved...ask me some questions about Palin...seek knowledge.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Doug...

Wasn't Romney supposed to win Iowa in 2008? I know he won the Ames Straw Poll. I wonder how that primary worked out....

I guess Romney can win Iowa and every other state by 2 zillion votes.

Anything is possible I guess.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

Pablo,

I don't hate you either. To hate you would mean that I care one way or the other about you. I do think you are a condescending elitist snob who thinks he is smarter and better than most other people.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

jersey...

Didn't Pablo vote for Obama in 2008? You gotta love people like Pablo, Ellie, Martha, Jonathan on Race 4 2012 and others who preach to us on how to be Republicans but on election day either don't vote/support 3rd party candidates (Martha) or vote for the Democrats.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

And it looks like the Palin supporters got one of your post some interest again. You can thank us later Pablo.

A.J.R.

Ohio JOE said...

Well A.J.R., Iowa does not vote today.

Doug NYC GOP said...

Did Jonathan at Race vote for Obama?

I don't recall him saying that. Have to check that out before I believe that one.

Doug NYC GOP said...

AJR,

Anything is possible, even losing Iowa in 2008.

I think you'll see I rarely make predictions with absolute certitude, on the outcome of races.

Romney has challenegs in this race no doubt. And I hqve accepted that for a long time. I do believe however, he can weather them and emerge stronger.

BTW if you're not sure how Iowa 2008 turned, just Google it.

Anonymous said...

Doug....

I said vote for Democrats.

I know Ellie voted for Obama. I'm pretty sure Pablo did. Martha said she didn't vote for Obama or McCain. I'm not sure who Jonathan voted for in 2008 but I know he voted for the Democrat for Florida Governor last year. That was after he whined about how Tea Parties need to support whomever the winners of GOP primaries or they needed to be purged from the Republican Party.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

Doug NYC GOP said..."She loses to Romney in head to head in Iowa by a solid 7pts." "Well A.J.R., Iowa does not vote today."


That would apply to Palin as well Doug.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

AJR - I'm not sure if Pablo voted for Obama or not. I do know Jonathan voted against the Governor of Florida because he was mad that what's-his-face didn't win the primary.

Doug NYC GOP said...

OK - thanks for clarification on Jonathan

Anonymous said...

Doug at this point, Romney is beating Palin by 6 points but the problem is he has weak support as a front-runner. Basically Palin will have to gain 7 pts in 8 months...hardly impossible. Chances are Romney is at his ceiling in Iowa...Palin is probably at her floor. In fact I predict Romney won't break 15% in the final tally...probably closer 10%

jerseyrepublican

BOSMAN said...

Alaska 33/58 (-25) YIKES!!!

To Know Her Is To Love Her!

Doug NYC GOP said...

I'll bookmark that prediction :)

Anonymous said...

Oh brother. I doubt very much that Pablo voted for Obama. LOL

But it's true, I didn't vote for Obama or McCain. I voted for Romney.

There you have it. Yes, I wrote in Romney and felt great. You see, my vote didn't count a hill of beans being here in OR. (Neither did Ellie's in Utah) It never does. So at least I got the satisfaction of being able to vote for Romney at least once in my life.

If my vote had been consequential, I would have voted for McCain, in spite of his terrible VP choice.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Martha...

I was trying to be extra fair to you. I know you have said that you didn't vote for Obama and I wanted to be sure to point that out.

A.J.R.

Doug NYC GOP said...

Martha,

Thanks for clearing that up and I like that wrote in Romney.

Here in NY, where I knew McCain didn't have a chance, I wish I thught of that.

Tracey said...

jerseyrepublican

"Romney can spend a billion of his own dollars this time around and he still will not win the nomination."

Just sayin'...

In response I say that Mitt Romney will not be spending "Billions" of dollars of his own money this time to win the nomination(FYI he never spent billions the first time), he will not be spending millions of his own money this time." He is successfully raising money this time and it is coming from the grassroots across America.

The polls may be 6 months old and Palin does have charisma and she may improve her negatives a BIT, BIT being the keyword but she will never overcome her negatives in time to win the White House. At least with Mitt Romney we have a solid shot at winning it back. Obama will be tough to beat.

Anonymous said...

Jersey, just because you do not like what Pablo has to say about Palin, or because he does not agree with you about her, does not mean that he is uninformed, or buys the MSM portrayal of her.

I've said it countless times--we see the real Sarah Palin. We watch her interviews, we read her Facebook and Twitter posts, we watch her ACTIONS. Unfiltered now for 2 years. I think it's just absolutely disingenuous for you to accuse Pablo of being uninformed about Sarah Palin. He is one of the most informed people who comments here or at race.

Perhaps he said he does not watch every interview. So what? Almost every interview she does is the same thing. It's like that for all the candidates. I would not call you uninformed if you did not watch every Romney interview.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Doug, well at least we get the chance to vote for the right guy this time!

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Martha, first your opinion is pointless because it is tainted by your personal disdain for the type of mother you think she is...so your opoinion of her is not worth mentioning and therefore askewed.

Pablo has repeatedly told me that he never watched this Palin speech or that Palin interview, so his opinion is, at least, partially based upon what he reads or sees in new reports, which is usually out of context and biased.

I wish Pablo would stick up for himself as much as you guys stick up for him.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Tracey, FYI - I never said he spent billions of his own dollars last time...I was implying that even if he spent billions this time(like he spent millions last time) it won't matter because he probably won't win the nomination.

If he does I will vote for him!!!

I actually do not think Romney can beat Obama...I think Palin can if her own party doesn't try to destroy her in the process.

Good Luck and good day!

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

EXTRA EXTRA - Palin slams Romney on RomneyCare...specifically the mandates...RUH ROH

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Jersey, like I said, if you've seen one Palin speech, you've seen them all.

I'm sorry you are so dismissive of any opinion contrary to your own.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Martha..

C'mon Martha, you are always dismissive of any opinion other than Palin sucks.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

AJR, No, I am not. I realize you each have your reasons for supporting her. I don't tear you down personally for it.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

How did i tear you down personally? If you were capable of having a reasonable discussion about palin, then I would be more than happy to have it...but you're not...you cannot even give credit where credit is due. for instance, how do you think her critically acclaimed, post on QE2 is?

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Jersey, you tear Pablo down at every chance.

And sorry. You expect me to believe Sarah knows anything about quantitative easing without cliff notes/someone writing for her? Ha ha.

She is a pretender when it comes to policy. Rebecca Mansour is the source of most of what Sarah thinks. She is also dreamed up the antics for NH today.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Jersey, I will believe that Palin is not a pretender when she has a serious, in-depth discussion on policy, without notes.

In that day, I will concede she knows something, but not until.

-Martha

craigs said...

Jersey Republican
Sarah posted on Queen Elizabeth and was critically acclaimed ? What did she say ?
And where is her critically acclaimed Alaska health care plan? Since she has a lot of oil money, exactly where did it go ? Is this in the QE 2 remarks ?

CraigS

Anonymous said...

CraigS - always the source of humor. Why fix what isn't broke? It's a false narrative for the Romney supporters to ask what did the other Governors do...in Romny's case - nothing would have been better than a mandate that will only grow as government sinks more and more of its teeth in it.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Martha, you just proved my point...no reason to talk to you about Palin. But seriously... Rebecca Mansour...the screenwriter is writing all of Palin's posts? Are you serious...do you ever listen to yourself? Now Palin, a former Governor knows less about the economy than one of her staffers that used to be a screenwriter? C'mon now! Nothing against screenwriters or RAM but seriously you;re becoming unhinged.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Once again Martha...did you read that post...have you watched any interviews where she discusses it?

jerseyrepublican

Pablo said...

I voted for John McCain in 2008 and I voted for Mitt Romney in the primaries. In 2004, I voted for George W. Bush, my first elections to vote in.

Anonymous said...

Jersey, if you don't understand the significant role Mansour plays in Palin's life, then maybe you should read more.

Yes, she write a lot of Palin material. It's not hard to be smarter than Sarah Palin. LOL

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Palin is C4P, make no mistake. The vitriol directed at Romney over there is no accident. Palin is fully on board with EVERYTHING they say and do, and she has given them the green light on many occasions. She even chose to hire the ringleader--Mansour, as her most trusted advisor, and confidante. She can't fire her for the mean comments about Bristol, because she knows far too much. It's really rather comical.

This attack on Romney was planned by Mansour, there is no doubt. Mansour is as vicious as Palin, just not quite as good-looking. This is why Palin hired her, duh.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Martha, you're so silly...do you and Ellie have a knitting circle where you share unprovable facts?

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Pablo, thanks for joining your own discussion. So, have you watched the Long Island Q&A yet? Have you read any of her energy posts and op-eds...or her QE2 posts and interviews? Did you watch her speech at the Madison Rally? I always thought you were a smart dude but I thought you were smarter than this. You do realize she left Alaska with a 12 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS...right?

You see the problem with the Frumian viewpoint of Palin is that there are facts that prove otherwise...he banks on the egotistical concept that followers...err I mean readers will take his word on it...and unfortunately that's what they do. It's funny that the "educated, thoughtful," wing of the GOP have no interest in facts.

jerseyrepublican

Pablo said...

Jersey,

I think that you certainly have a point. It is very easy for us who do not like Palin to go overboard. I think about that quite a bit actually. She certainly deserves a fair chance.

I did mention in the post that she has begun to talk public policy. I just don't think she does it enough. For every recited speech or op-ed that she does, there is a live interview where she doesn't look too smart. Or, then there is the fact that she generally avoids doing live non-Fox interviews.

But, Jersey, do you really think that she is loved by her fans because of her policy positions? That is not what Palin is about. It is identity politics and populism. That's what bothers me about her. I want substance, not style.

Anonymous said...

Pablo,

I support her for her policies and her populism but not the dreaded definition that gets thrown around republican circles but for the basic belief of populism that government is for the people...that populism I support.

I think her couple hundred hardcore fans from C4P do not completely represent all of her fans and the fact that she is pigeon-holed that the fans at a fan site are the only people that like her is kind of silly. She is a great retail politician...as you can see if you have followed any of the coverage from the bus tours. She gets in there, introduces herself, sits down with them and starts talking.

All I ask is that people give her more of a chance and don't believe everything they read or hear about her. And don't treat me as a moron for supporting her.

Did you know there is an editorial out from some prominent lib that states that palin is breaking a federal law by commercializing the US flag? Seriously, these are the stories she has to endure.

jerseyrepublican

Sorry if I came off so harsh but I am just tired of being referred to as a mindless follower...I have done my due diligence, I have thoroughly looked at the field and I still support Sarah Palin!!!

Anonymous said...

Sorry, in a rush...be back later.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Martha...

At 3:39 PM you basically called Palin an idiot but by 3:43 PM she is the evil genius. She can't be both so you gotta pick one or the other.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

Martha wrote "Palin is C4P, make no mistake. The vitriol directed at Romney over there is no accident. Palin is fully on board with EVERYTHING they say and do, and she has given them the green light on many occasions. She even chose to hire the ringleader--Mansour, as her most trusted advisor, and confidante. She can't fire her for the mean comments about Bristol, because she knows far too much. It's really rather comical.

This attack on Romney was planned by Mansour, there is no doubt. Mansour is as vicious as Palin, just not quite as good-looking. This is why Palin hired her, duh."

Do you have proof? I would like to read it.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

jersey...

Here!!! Here!!!

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

Proof for what? C4P? Or Mansour being Palin's most important advisor/writer? Or Mansour coming up with the rain on Romney's parade idea?

Well, I certainly don't have proof of the Romney plan, but what does it matter? It was either Sarah, Todd or Rebecca. Take your pick, it was embarrassing. Any of her few other advisors would not endorse such stupidity, IMO.

But, if you'd bother to read, you'd know all about C4P, Mansour, etc. It's not a secret.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Martha....

It matters because you presented the "Romney plan" as fact but now you say that you have no proof.

I'm aware of C4P but as I have stated numerous times, I hardly ever go to that site. I probably haven't been there in months. I am really not interested in fan sites for any candidate. I hear about C4P more here than I do anywhere else. You guys and gals are obsessed with it. For the life of me I don't understand why you all get so riled up about it. Other than some extremely hardcore Palin fans and you guys....no one else cares about it.

Don't get me wrong, if you all want to get ulcers thinking about C4P....knock yourselves out.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

AJR, I'm sorry if you think I presented it as fact. It's just an opinion from my observations.

I've been to C4P about 10 times, and that was enough to get the flavor. I would hardly call myself riled up. My mentioning C4P was only in reference to Rebecca Mansour, and how connected C4P is to Palin.

-Martha