Sunday, July 24, 2011

ARC Entertainment Announces Massive National Rollout for Sarah Palin Film, 'The Undefeated'

Release from ARC Entertainment and Victory Film Group:
Victory Film Group and ARC Entertainment, the distributor of “The Undefeated,” the film about Gov. Sarah Palin’s rise from obscurity to national prominence, jointly announced today that beginning on September 1st the film will be available to 75 million homes via Video on Demand and Pay-Per-View access through national and regional cable and satellite operators. The DVD will launch on October 4th and will be available at traditional and online retailers nationwide. ARC is estimating its initial unit shipment to be approximately 250,000 units. A “Special Edition” DVD will contain additional new content and will only be sold in Walmart stores. ARC will continue to expand the limited engagement theatrical release nationwide throughout August and September as demand across the country remains high.

Trevor Drinkwater, CEO of ARC Entertainment, said, “Since the film opened in select markets across the country on July 15th we have been inundated with requests from people wanting the film to be made available in their market. After methodically analyzing the most effective ways to bring this galvanizing film to the widest audience as soon as possible we have determined that continued limited theatrical distribution, Video-on-Demand, Pay-Per-View and DVD sales will be the best modalities by which to deliver this film as widely as possible. We have created partnerships with national cable, satellite and mass retailers to achieve our distribution goals.”

“This title is absolutely perfect for Video-on-Demand and Pay-Per-View backed by a traditional and significant marketing campaign. We are incredibly excited about having this film made available to the entire country earlier than expected,” said Glenn Bracken Evans, the film’s producer. “A traditional windowed release would not have allowed us to maximize viewership of this highly sought after film,” continued Evans.

“The Undefeated is a terrific case study for a digital cinema release. We have been nimble, efficient and brought this film to many eager viewers with almost no turn around time,” said Jill Newhouse Calcaterra, chief marketing officer at Cinedigm, the film’s digital distributor. “We look forward to bringing this film to many more audiences across the country during the next month.”

Filmmaker Stephen K. Bannon stated, “Given the strong audience reaction we have determined there is overwhelming demand for us to get this film out broadly enough to cover the entire nation in September and October. In a 90-day period from August to November we will be able to effectively cover the nation through multiple distribution modalities.”

The Video-on-Demand and Pay-Per-View deals with strategic partners will be backed by a multi-million-dollar advertising campaign to heighten awareness in all markets to the film’s availability

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72 comments:

Anonymous said...

ESKIMOS 4 PALIN 2012!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

RW, I just don't see the movie making any inroads for Palin. People have already made up their minds, and the movie isn't going to change anything.

She simply doesn't have the time to change such negative perceptions. It's a pipe dream to think she'll be able to do it.

Palin should have stuck it out as gov, stayed out of the spotlight as much as possible, and done her job. She could have, but chose not to.

Sure, the press were after her. But after a month or so, with Palin just ignoring them and doing her job, things would have quieted down.

She could have built up some real cred, and left Republicans wanting more.

As it is, we have too much, and we're sick to death of her. No off button, that lady.

Yes, she's played the press perfectly if she wants to be a celebrity. Politically, it was stupid if she wanted to run.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

If people won’t go to see Palin’s film, The Defeated, in theaters, then they will just have to take the infomercial to them.

Essentially "The Defeated" is demonstrating the irony of its name by plummeting even faster than Palin's Presidential possibilities, having added four new theaters this weekend but still losing 63.2% of its ticket buyers. That is not just a defeat, that is an obliteration!

However like any good Palin-bot this dose of reality has not managed to pierce the rose colored fantasy world that apparently envelops directer Stephen Bannon.


You know if I were the cynical sort I might think that Bannon was in a state of panic, and desperately trying to find some new venues to hawk this stinker before he loses his shirt and forever destroys his reputation due to this albatross of a film.

Anonymous said...

There is no greater embarrassment or more comprehensive admission of defeat in the movie business than to have a heavily promoted new title tossed onto the scrap heap of DVD/On-Demand after only a two-week, limited distribution run.

$24,000 in 14 theaters this past weekend. It may be time for Sarah and the media to wake up and smell the coffee. Actual people are not interested in Sarah’s infomercial, and to that I say, Thank you my fellow Americans.

How will Palin supporters spin this failure? How will they blame the liberals when it is not liberals who were expected to pay their hard earned money to see this film. It is Sarah’s own base who did not show up. Perhaps those stories of Sarah’s popularity were grossly overestimated?

dd

Doug NYC GOP said...

dd has it right about the DVD/Pay per view launch. If the movie was going to be financially viable, then theatre OWNERS would want it in their venues to generate dollars for them. Not just through ticket sales, but in consession sales as well. This is why they movies, aside from blockbusters, which have what the industry calls "legs." Depending on the terms, each week a higher percentage of the gross is given to the theatre owner, less to the sturio, but they both benefit in the early weeks when amovie is a legit it.

The Palin movie, with it's niche market, was always a long shot to do well financially, considering the content. It's too bad the hype didn't match the performance.

Seems Palin is a "One Week Wonder" in many regards this year. The much ballyhooed Bus Tour lasted one week, till it was curbed by an ill-fated foray into American Revolutionary history. Now after a opening week fan-fest, the movie expands markets and fizzles.

I'm not exactly sure how the Pay per View thing would work viv a vis Equal Time rules, if Palin decideds to run. Since you have to purchase the movie it may exempt the cable provider from supplying time to other candidates.

Right Wingnut said...

Bus tour cancelled? Hmmmm...

Someone is dealing in falsehoods again....

Imagine our surprise when reading media reports today that the “One Nation Tour” has been cancelled. Why didn’t anyone tell me? Oh, wait, that’s because it hasn’t been cancelled. (Good ol' media... you never cease to amaze!)

As I said myself at the end of the east coast leg of the tour, the summer is long, and I’m looking forward to hitting the open road again. The coming weeks are tight because civic duty calls (like most everyone else, even former governors get called up for jury duty) and I look forward to doing my part just like every other Alaskan.

I wouldn’t think it to be such a slow news day that, what with numerous wars and serious economic woes concerning Americans, a bus is driving news stories today. The next leg of the tour continues when the time comes. In the meantime, no one should jump to conclusions – certainly not the media with their long track record of getting things wrong or just making things up.

- Sarah Palin


http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150214727228435

Right Wingnut said...

The movie is such a "failure" they're planning an initial shipment of 250,000 copies to the stores.

If she runs, they're going to have to up that considerably.

Hey, I just thought of something...does Bannon know something we don't know? Hmmmm...

Stay tuned.

Ohio JOE said...

"Someone is dealing in falsehoods again...." This is exactly how anti-Palinites operate, they want to throw enough crap on the wall.

Doug NYC GOP said...

Lots of brave faces being put up and that is admirable.

But the facts are this was sold via the hype, to be the biggest thing, spreading like wildfire in THEATRES when it was released.

To spin the salvaging of this project by spinning a DVD release so quickly, as a good thing, is laughable.

A drop of 63% of your initial gross, with expanding markets, means no one wants to go see this thing. I'm actually surprised, becasue I thought the markets they chose would be more Palin friendly.

Maybe you can blame the Heat Dome.

Doug NYC GOP said...

The bus has been in the garage for over a month...perhaps the tour is only on hiatus.

Anonymous said...

@RWN...please let me know when the family vacation continues. I want to be the first to know. When will you learn that you should not believe anything Sarah says? I wonder how that jury duty is working for her? Ha, ha.

Several theaters are reporting weekend showings with zero ticket sales. I expect the theater gig will be up very soon.

dd

Anonymous said...

So basically, it's going straight to DVD/ppv because it did so 'well' in the theatres? LOL.

Yea, now I can just not download it from Netflix, or not ppv on my sat system, and not buy it at walmart. So many choices of how now to watch this gosh awful flick!

Next step for this loser of a flick: Just mail each true americ'kin a copy! Problem is the land fill will then be complaining.

Ellie

Anonymous said...

Doug what are you talking about? The movie is in what...15 theatres? It was never going to get huge traction in the theatre...these days most movies with a bigger budget make their money with DVD sales. The theatre is a mere introduction to the people who might end up seeing it on DVD.

It obviously is a package deal that was always intended for a bigger DVD release...that's why Bannon only made the theatrical release deal with AMC...it was part of a bigger package.

You're so full of shit...I can't even remember if you always were or if you have changed? When you actually read dd's comments and attempt to make logic out of hateful ignorance and then agree with that hateful ignorance and expound upon her moronic testimony...it says a lot about you and the type of Romney supporter you are.

This was a perfect example of how a select group of Romney supporters are far worse and disloyal than any Palin supporter...we would never agree with the likes of dd to gain some political posturing...quite frankly...it disgusts me.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Below are the lowest selling DVD's of 2010, out of top 100.

Even these low sellers did much better than your anticipated 250,000 copies. I expect to see the majority of the 250,000 in the close-out section of Wal-Mart for $5.00.


90 District 9 850,453 $14,477,941 12/22/2009
91 Invictus 838,633 $13,322,700 5/18/2010
92 Crazy Heart 826,306 $14,850,483 4/20/2010
93 The Original Television Christmas Classics 824,758 $14,068,258 9/14/2004
94 The Adventures of Milo and Otis 810,334 $5,464,010 8/31/1999
95 From Paris with Love 808,337 $13,925,624 6/8/2010
96 Edge of Darkness 793,111 $13,462,297 5/11/2010
97 Star Trek 783,227 $10,805,959 11/17/2009
98 Ponyo 777,175 $13,414,521 3/2/2010
99 Cop Out 765,823 $13,173,708 7/20/2010
100 Dr. Seuss' The Cat in the Hat 757,874 $8,058,002 3/16/2004


I think the only think Bannon knows is that he just lost a bundle of cash that he will never recover.

dd

Anonymous said...

Doug, do me a favor and go check out Malia Litman's blog...read the disgusting filth this woman writes...that is dd personified...I'm not sure if she is Malia Litman or just a fan but they share the same sick ideology. Read her post about the Palin family ethics...if it doesn't turn your stomach a little to read the gross, filthy lies this woman writes...

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Better yet, Doug, since you guys are so welcoming to dd and ellie, why don't you go over to that blog and post some laudatory comments about Romney and some negative comments about President Obama...see how long you last on that site...

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

@ Jersey....the truth really digs into your very thin skin. I share facts and nothing but the facts. I know the thing Palinbots fear the most is the truth.

Please advise me what I have posted that qualifies as gross or filthy? Most of the time the truth about Sarah is not pretty.

dd

dd

Doug NYC GOP said...
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Anonymous said...

dd, so you admit that you are malia litman?

jerseyrepublican

Doug NYC GOP said...

(Below is the correctly edited version spelling grammar - of my 9:18am comment)

JR,

A little unhinged this morning aren't we?

The point of dd's that I agreed with was in the first paragraph of her statement at 6:31 AM. It's a basic assessment of how the business works. Nothing inflammatory in that, unless any reference to dd is objectionable.

The point is the movie was originally intended by it's director to expand to 50-100 markets, after the initial rollout in the early voting states

http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/05/campaign-style-palin-movie-set-for.html

After much hoopala last week about how strong it opened, it expanded it's release by 40%, which is what a hit movie should do. Then it tanked in week 2.

http://www.altfg.com/blog/movie/sarah-palin-movie-kristin-scott-thomas-sarahs-key-box-office/

and

http://www.indiewire.com/article/2011/07/24/box_office_sarahs_key_and_another_earth_open_strong (Paragraph 8)

So to recap, my comments have been about the film's performance (No one expected Titanic grosses, but this was not the intended result either) and the business decision to go to DVD so quickly.

You seem to want to focus on my citing a comment from dd. I don't write about the the stuff Litman, whoever she is, traffics in and I've never written, commented or posted in support of any of the personal garbage (Trig truther, affairs, implants, etc) regarding Palin. Yet your hair trigger temper seems to have blurred those facts to you, as well as reduced you to profanity laden name calling once again.

You're angry at me because you think I agreed, in totality, with someone you consider to be a jerk. That's not a very fair thing to do, considering there are times I often agree with you.

Enjoy your day and lay off the caffine.

Anonymous said...

Doug, I'm sorry but your understanding of the business is lacking. Many indie productions are released On Demand at the same time they are released in the theatres...especially when there is a limited release. To say that it is going to the on demand/dvd scrap pile after two weeks is just a lie.

The movie will be out 45 days when it is released on demand...not 2 weeks and it will be out 80 days when it will be released on DVD...not 2 weeks. If you had an understanding of the way the "business" works, you would understand that this is common for a digital release. The movie was never printed on film. What you're seeing is the future of film release.

If they expected more theatres or more attendance...that I do not know. I do know it wasn't as heavily promoted as dd would have you believe. If you weren't within 10 miles of those 14 theatres...you wouldn't see the movie and if you aren't a fan of politics, as we are...you might barely know there is a movie out about Sarah Palin.

I do find it amusing that you claim to not know who this Litman person is...I think you have claimed that about a half a dozen times over the past month or two. Also you amusingly spend more time publicly agreeing with dd than you do disagreeing with her.

jerseyrepublican

BTW, if you don't like my language...then ban me!!!

Anonymous said...

Malia, every post you have written on your blog has at least one...usually a dozen...lies. The one about the Palin family ethics is one of the most classiest of your posts...also filled with so many fabrications that I do not even know where to start.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

boooo hooooo...typical queen palin supporters. cry me a river. Palin is a great manipulator and has all these idiots brainwashed into believing anything she says no matter how false it is. Palin could say her movie was the number 1 movie in the world and these obsessed fools would believe it. Palin is only about herself and the spotlight, shes not runnning for president and she knows it. She knows she lacks the brain cells required for the job of president. She is stringing all you idiots along for the ride only to ditch you on the side of the road.

Doug NYC GOP said...

Thanks for "setting me straight" on the Movie business, Mr. DeMille.

JR,

Digital technology has bee around for years and has nothing to do with the original conversation or release plans of this movie.

I'm not going to do your homework for, there are plenty of articles out there, about Mr. Bannon's hopes and dreams for this film.

They didn't pan out. That's Show Biz!

As far as what you believe about my statements regarding Litman, let me use lanquage which you'll understand and is in obvious use in yur home - I don't give two shits.

You conduct yourself as the self imposed moral District Attorney/Judge on this site, and it's getting so tiresome. Stuff your sanctimonous righteous indignation act.

And now I'll take another page from your playbook after insulting someone...

"Oh, I'm only kidding."

Doug NYC GOP said...
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Anonymous said...

You just wait. We've always being told to just wait, and we'll see Palin take the world by storm.

You just wait, this movie is going to be huge and change everyone's perception of Palin.

You just wait, until Palin can speak for herself and isn't controlled by McCain.

You just wait, this 'documentary' is going to make everyone fall in love with Sarah Palin.

You just wait until Palin jumps into the race. She'll immediately dispatch all the other candidates.

Well, we're still waiting for all of it. Sarah Palin obviously knows by now whether she's running or not. If she's not, shame on her for leading her fans on 6 months longer than necessary. If she is, I look forward to one GIANT LAST FLOP.

-Martha

Ben said...

Martha,

Your last comment has the makings of a 100+ Comment thread.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Ben. Martha you are a FP here, you should post that comment in it's own post.

Anonymous said...

haha only a few here and all at C4P
actually believe that once palin gets in, its a done deal, she will win BINGO!. Thats the level of brainwashing these palin supporters have, It couldnt be any further from the truth.

Anonymous said...

PALIN IS A BIGTIME JOKE!

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Ben.

Yeah, I just noticed that it's the same old song and dance over and over. When is the great moment going to finally arrive when Palin turns everything on it's head?

It isn't. Sadly, she's tormenting people who would crawl on broken glass for her. It's time for her to come clean.

-Martha

Ben said...

Martha,

I have a perfect title:

"Sarah Palin: Just wait...and wait.."

Anonymous said...

Ben, great title--you should be the one to write it. Go for it!

-Martha

Anonymous said...

I feel kind of bad because I really like the Palin fans around here, and I know I have offended them with my comments about Palin. I think our fans here are far more realistic about Palin than say C4P, AT or HotAir folks.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

Where is Doug?

Maybe he would write it?

Doug NYC GOP said...

Thanks, no thanks.

Ohio JOE said...

"Palin is a great manipulator and has all these idiots brainwashed into believing anything she says no matter how false it is." Now that is funny coming from the Center-Left.

Anonymous said...

Doug, digital technology has been around for years but total digital release...meaning projection, on demand and dvd in a near simultaneous manner is quite new and has always been the plan for the documentary.

And, I am not joking...I think you're an asshole. I think you cherry pick other people's posts and opinions and then cry foul when people question you on it. I find your understanding of politics to be pedestrian at best.

If people use the same tactics that dd, Martha and yourself use, against Palin, to deride Romney you act more indignant than any other person on this site...so spare me YOUR self-righteousness.

Also, how can I conduct myself as the self-imposed moral authority on this site then at the same time I apparently use "language" in my home?

You're such a walking example of contradiction...it's amazing and amusing and embarrassing.

I almost wish Romney becomes the nominee so I can laugh when you and your GOD receives the same treatment, by the same people that go out of their, pathetic, way to disrupt a Republican site.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

I don't mind the stupid, mindless comments by dd and martha and ellie...I know where they're coming from...they're an open book...an open children's book. But to get the treatment we do from fellow Republicans is sickening...good thing nobody reads this site.

jerseyrepublican

Doug NYC GOP said...

Oh boy, the tough guy really put me in my place.

Feel better now, JR?

Doug NYC GOP said...

Apparently people do read this site, as the fan is growing.

As far as banning you goes, I don't have that authority.

Besides, I wouldn't do it even if I did. Rather let the world see you for what you are.

Anonymous said...

"Tough guy?" What are you talking about? You're the one who obviously cannot handle it when somebody strongly disagrees with you. You took offense because I said you were full of shit...well boo-hoo. Aren't you from NYC?

As far as the site's popularity...I admit that that was a cheap shot...to be honest... I really don't care about the site's popularity. But I would like to think that being one of the original visitors of this site I could get some loyalty against these loony liberals that attack me on a daily basis.

BTW, thanks for acknowledging the actual argument as opposed to my tone in the argument...

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

"See me for what I am?" You mean an honest person who has loyalty and wouldn't choose a nasty, lying, hate-spewing liberal over a fellow Republican in a debate? Is that the type of person I am? Or maybe because my language does not equate to your rules of conduct and etiquette...and you call me self-righteous...

jerseyrepublican

Doug NYC GOP said...

JR,

You elevated this discussion today into a series of personal attacks. I have disagreed with you in the past, but I never attacked you personally.

You seem to make a habit of it.

You want think Palin's movie's a hit and is the greatest marketing rollout ever? Feel free.

We disagree on the facts.

You want to inject personal rancor and bile into the discussion, you are on your own.

Have a great day.

Anonymous said...

Jersey,
I’ve just spend a fair amount of time finding this Malia Littman who you seem to be very familiar with. I'm not her, however, I wish I were. She seems like a very smart woman. I researched her blog and discovered that she is an attorney who blogs primarily about Sarah’s character flaws. She does blog about other issues, as well. Since you feel any comment about Romney will be deleted, we’ll have to see. I left a comment to her, asking her if she thinks Romney is part of the right wing fringe who would love to see the country default on debt.

I’ll admit, she is very much anti Palin, but her threads are not filthy. And from what I saw, she is pretty much on target with everything she writes about Palin. I also found out that she has won numerous blogging awards.

I find it difficult to understand why you think all of us should adore Sarah the way you do. Clearly, her poll numbers are in the tank and it’s not just liberals. Republicans and independents have a very unfavorable opinion of her.

Why is it that the Palinbots can never control their temper and always revert to profanity and personal attacks. Are all of you from the same nasty mold that Sarah comes from?

dd

Anonymous said...

Doug, obviously this is a waste of time. But you cannot back peddle and make me look like the bad guy in this when all I said was that your argument was full of shit.

You take things way too personally. Sure I called you an asshole in retaliation to your response but you have yet to prove that your points were correct because the basis of your argument was false...I showed you that...rather than debate my input you chose to take offense at the way I presented it. If I had any time to coddle you I would apologize...but I don't. I expect a FPP to know the facts...you apparently do not.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

dd, how did you become familiar with Rightspeak? Because coincidentally you appeared here at the same exact time that our own Ellie invited people from Malia Litman's blog to this site.

Don't you understand that I don't care if you support Sarah Palin...I don't care if you hate her...I find it to be a slightly unproductive waste of your time but I really don't care how you spend your time...it is none of my business.

What is my business and what I find offense at is your inherent desire to mock anybody who has a differing opinion than you.

Why do you care if I support Sarah Palin? What difference does it make to your life?

Seriously? I mean we get it...you are not a fan. How about you redeem yourself by discussing other topics...you must be interested in Romney...why not discuss his proposals or specifics about his book...hell Bosman would allow you to FPP if you asked him. I would love to hear your opinions of Romney's stance on policy.

BUT...

I know your goal is to disrupt this site and quite frankly you have succeeded...before you came along, we disagreed but not to the level we have since Ellie and Martha invited you here...so kudos to you...you have succeeded at disrupting a perfectly fine Republican blog who has about 50 readers...

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

dd, btw if you google her name it is first in the search results...you are so full of shit as well...if only people were as stupid as you think we are...

jerseyrepublican

Right Wingnut said...

DD claimed that she had to search for Litman's site a few weeks ago. Now she's acting like she checked it out for the first time....today?

DD is Litman.

Anonymous said...

RW, I'd have to agree. Do you ever go to Litman's site? She wrote a post about the Palin family ethics or moral code or some such nonsense and when I wasn't reading a lie I found myself morally disgusted by her examples...and I don't offend easily...I'm a moderate Republican from NJ...trust me I don't offend easily...but the lies she suggested were both foul and moronic at the same exact time. She is completely unhinged. If I was Palin, I'd hope my security team were aware of Litman...

jerseyrepublican

Doug NYC GOP said...

JR,

If you want to talk facts than my points are not full of shit as you eloquently claim. Check out the two sites I provided.

The movie expanded it's release and took in less money. 40% more theaters and 63% less revenue. Wha that in the business plan? I doubt it. A hit movie doesn't perform that way.

Yes the movie will be in release for the amount of time you cited, but if it was performing well, as anticipated, in the theaters, it would continue to expand out to the 50-100 outlets, the director originally intended.

No?

So if anyone is back peddling it's the producer/disributor, who is looking to reduce their losses and get some of their money back.

Now, if you want to post proof of your theory, feel free. I've backed up my opinion with facts, not cherry picked either.

When you have a hit movie, you let run in the theaters as long as possible, you don't cut and run.

Anonymous said...

Doug, you are trying to compare Hollywood blockbusters with an Indie Doc...they're incomparable and have different business models. Even a lot of Hollywood blockbusters don't make more money in their second week.

Not to mention that you're info is false because according to the website you cited..FROM INDIEWIRE...

According to its distributor ARC Entertainment, the film will still have a “massive national rollout,” with theatrical release continuing through October while a VOD release is tapped for September 1st and DVD on October 1st.

Did you read that..."theatrical release continuing through October."

My entire argument all along is that you're trying to create a story where there isn't one. Like other times in the past, you tend to believe the spin of the narrative rather than the actual narrative.

I agree that the movie didn't do as well in the second weekend as it did the first but there are plenty of reasons why, none of them having anything to do with Palin's popularity. I always felt the movie would only appeal to her base of supporters and it could be a good tool if she runs for President and she starts changing perceptions...until then it's definitely a fan film...for the most part.

So with that knowledge, we must assume that most of her fans, in last week's markets, already saw the documentary the first week. Now base the per screen money's made based on the 4 new theaters added.

Actually if I were Bannon, I would have taken the entire film on tour. A few markets each week. When the week is over, the film moves to the next markets and closes in the current ones.

I wasn't joking, I think you are full of shit sometimes and I think you can be an asshole...

So am I...so can I.

jerseyrepublican

Right Wingnut said...

JR, they need to release the DVD and VOD in time for the campaign. Taking it on tour would take too long.

Anonymous said...

jersey,

I read that Malia Litman "moral code" piece. She really is a vile, nasty human being.

A.J.R.

Anonymous said...

RW, I agree about the DVD and VOD release...not many people go to the movies anymore. But Bannon could have released the film in 10 markets a week...then close those markets and move onto the next. It would have made the need to see the movie more prominent and it also would have curbed these types of attacks. Movies used to go on tour all the time. People would feel it imperative to go see the movie because it wouldn't be available the following week.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

AJR, I know...it's disgusting. Every other one is a lie. I wonder if she knowingly lies or if she is so deranged, when it comes to Palin, that she believes all that nonsense? To tell you the truth I'm not sure which is worse? It's quite scary actually.

jerseyrepublican

Doug NYC GOP said...

I provided two different websites, one in turn referenced Box Office Mojo, which is a big site that tracks movies.

Obviously they are all wrong in their assessments and facts, as well as being in on the conspiracy to destroy any chance of success the Palin movie might have, by going out of their to make up negative spin.

We can't believe any media stories about Palin, unless they come through Palin Central is that it?

Just for the record, smaller indie type movies like Palin's are supposed to see their grosses go higher as they expand and find their audience, normally htreough word of mouth, since these producer's have tight budgets as well. Read about 'Midnight in Paris" Woody Allen's latest and how it's release is going. That will give you an idea of how these types of movies develop.

BTW,we were told he Word of Mouth was supposed to keep propelling this thing into a hit. What happened there I wonder?

In any event we have to see how the VOD/DVD release goes.

Any early predictions?

Anonymous said...

Doug, once again you take my argument and you base the majority of your reply on one sentence of my 500 word(give or take) reply. This is why I say you're full of shit.

Originally, your argument was that it was not a success because the documentary is going to VOD and DVD so soon after the release and that it was being pulled from the theaters. You cited 2 examples to prove your case...one of which disproved half of your case...it is not being pulled from the theaters and some could continue to argue that it might still get a wider theatrical release.

My argument stated that the new way of digital release relies upon a concerted effort of theatrical, VOD and DVD...some people believe that digital released films should be released in every capacity on the same day. Bannon didn't do that with The Undefeated.

Also you are trying to compare ticket sales between an indie documentary about Sarah Palin to a Woody Allen film...which isn't a true independent film(meaning it had studio backing)

I've already conceded that the audience would be made up of Sarah Palin fans...obviously there are only so many SP fans within those 10 theaters...chances are a lot of them went last week. Now if we knew the per theater money made from the 4 additional theaters we could have a discussion. Do you know those numbers? I don't.

Early predicitions...my guess is that Bannon has already made his money back with the original deal and he is receiving royalties from this point on. I'd imagine that they will turn a profit. The 250,000 order for DVD's is a good first printing...which was probably designed to sell out the DVD the first week.

I don't think we'll really know the success of the film until a few months after the DVD sales go into affect...probably after the holidays...but one thing is sure Bannon will not lose money with this film.

jerseyrepublican

Ohio JOE said...

BTW, when is Mr. Mandate's movie coming out? Oh, I see.

Anonymous said...

BTW, I never once said it was a conspiracy theory...I have consistently stated that this is basically a niche film that cannot be treated like other films/documentaries. I'm not sure you can say it tanked because it did less the second week, when it only opened in 4 new theaters. I think you can base the success by the 4 new theaters not by including the dried well of the original ten.

Was it over-hyped? Probably. Like I said before...I never thought it would do great in a theatrical release but for 14 theaters...it's not doing bad.

jerseyrepublican

Anonymous said...

Jersey, it doesn't really matter if it's doing badly.

The point is that a lot of fans said this movie would be the game changer. A movie was never going to be able to do that.

-Martha

Doug NYC GOP said...

JR,

Go back and read my first comment.

I never made half the claims you assert.

Simply stated, my only aclaim is, the movie's performance, based upon the assertions Mr. Bannon made prior to it's release, did no turn out as planned. Ergo, they are making a busioness decision to go with Pay Per View and DVD earlier than oroiginally planned.

That's it. If you want to read more into, go ahead.

My reference to the Woody Allen movie to show you, I do happen to understand how the movie business works on various levels. TRhat is one example of a smaller builds a nd finds an audience. Something the producers of the Palin film hoped to do from the outset.

You happen to get so caught up in vincating Palin, you miss a lot of what people are actually saying.


BTW, to claim all the available Palin fans in those 10 cities, went to see the movie in the first week, as a reason for week 2 drop off, should be troubling to you.

An approx $73,000 gross in 10 cities means a $7300 groos per theater. At $10 per ticket that's 730 fans per city. Even we say $7.50 a pop, that's only a 1,065 fans per market.

Not exactly the robust response the movie was supposed to unleash now is it?

I'll let you have the final word, if you want it, on this over wrought issue.

Right Wingnut said...

Ergo, they are making a busioness decision to go with Pay Per View and DVD earlier than oroiginally planned. - Doug

When was it origianlly planned?

Right Wingnut said...

Now, Ellie can go see it...

http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/07/the-undefeated-debuts-this-weekend-in-cincinatti-columbus-charleston-south-carolina-and-salt-lake-city.html

Anonymous said...

Doug, you change your argument. You implicitly said that the movie is being yanked from the theaters. You also said that the fact it was going to dvd and vod was telling that it was a failure. You are wrong on all accounts. I don't know what to tell you. To counter my argument by using my argument and trying to turn it around on me..is...silly.

I don't miss what you're saying...what you're saying is wrong...you cannot compare this documentary to a Woody Allen film...he has a built audience and every one of his movie makes money...that's why he is given a blank check. I get your point but a really bad example.

Like I said, I never expected this movie to do great in the theaters...you can look up my past posts, from when it was announced, if you don't believe me...but...you also cannot judge the success by your criteria...that you got from a slanted narrative that is using pretty good numbers, for what the film is, against it.

jerseyrepublican

The one thing we can agree on is that this discussion has run its course.

Anonymous said...

@ Jersey & RW, both of you are nuts. I have never researched Litman until today. I didn't say it was hard to find her. In fact, I never even discussed how I found her. All I said was that she's an attorney and has won blogging awards. I then left a comment about Romney to see if she would delete it. The last time I looked, it's still there. So, your lie about her not allowing comments about Romney is a lie. It's been approx four hours. C4P doesn't leave anti Palin comments up for even two minutes.

You need mental help.

dd

Anonymous said...

No, I think I'll go see '17 miracles' this weekend with my hubby, and skip the SlC blow out. But thanks anyway. I'll spend my hard earned money on things I truly want to see.

Anonymous said...

dd. They are obsessed with Malia Litman's site. It's a conspiracy, don'tcha know!! They see litman everywhere! She's following them! She's the reason their lights were turned off because they did not pay the bill because they sent all their cash to Palin. Its Litmans fault!!!

Ellie

And sorry, forgot to sign my name at 7:15! That was me too.

Doug NYC GOP said...

JR,

I haven't changed my argument one iota the entire day. Go back and re-read all my comments from today - carefully.

While doing so, feel free to point out where I ever implicitly said the movie was being yanked from theaters.

Never wrote those words today or any other day. You are either seeing things or making stuff up as you go along.

Anonymous said...

dont worry doug,
jr and rw compete for who gets their panties bunched up the farthest. They cry and start swearing away when their feelings get hurt only because you talk down to their royal queen of wasilla. Theyre both a bunch of jackasses whose wives dont give it to them anymore.

Anonymous said...

No one has seemed to mention that her documentary is not showing anywhere in Alaska. It's because we hate her guts up here.

Anonymous said...

Today in US NEWS POLITICS POLL:
Will you see "Undefeated," the documentary about Sarah Palin?
1. 68.25% No.
2. 20.63% Yes, I will see (or already have seen it) in theaters.
3. 11.11% Yes, but I will wait to watch it on pay-per-view or DVD


dd