Saturday, March 19, 2011

Am I Wrong For Calling Michele Bachmann An Idiot? Cont'd

Michelle Bachmann avoids the question. Donald Trump joins the birthers. But Rudy stands up to the fringe. Here is how you appeal to the non-idiot vote.
A day after Donald Trump raised questions about President Barack Obama’s citizenship, Rudy Giuliani on Friday swatted down the "birthers" as a waste of time, saying it's "clear" the president was born in America.

The former New York City mayor — making his first trip to New Hampshire of the 2012 presidential cycle as he weighs another run for the White House — made the comments to POLITICO just before he spoke at the Manchester GOP Lincoln Day dinner here."He's born in the United States, I don't see any real question about that," Giuliani said. "And even if some people have some doubts in the back of their minds it's really too late and futile. ... We have so many more important things to talk about."
It's really that simple. I consider this to be somewhat of a litmus test. Any candidate that does not expressly agree that Obama was born in the United States is immediately crossed off my list.

25 comments:

Granny T said...

This is one subject that Huckabee agrees with Rudy on. In his new book he makes it very clear that he believes Obama was born in the US. Even when he made his big gaffe about Obama "growing up in Kenya" he made it clear he doesn't agree with the birthers. He had Kenya on the mind because of that part in his book. Nowhere in the book does he say anything about Obama being born or growing up in Kenya.

Cracker want a Polly said...

"Am I Wrong For Calling Michele Bachmann An Idiot?"

No! To be fair though, you should have included Trump in with her.

Pablo said...

Cracker want a Polly,

Agreed. When I wrote the first post, I didn't know about Trump's comments.

OhioJOE said...

Pablo:
Am I wrong for calling you an idiot? Let me give you a clue, if Mr. Bush did not produce a Birth Certificate, would Democrats start calling Leftists Birthers. You honestly crack me up. You are more obsessed with Mr. Obama's birthplace than Max is with Dinosaurs.

Anonymous said...

Hi Pablo, I haven't been commenting lately but I've been reading your posts here and The Cross Culturalist.

I'm glad he's taking a strong stand, as a candidate for president of the united states, to be talking about other things. If strong evidence emerges that would show he is not a citizen, then that will happen with or without Rudy's approval.

But as a private citizen, I am free to press into this mystery. I say where there's smoke there's fire, and there's a whole lot of smoke around this issue. I don't lose sleep over it or even think about it that much, but I think there is a legitimate debate, and it's useless to the debate to attribute to those in the debate that they are racist. And until something knocks it out of the park, it appears the debate won't be going anywhere and people are free to speculate.

Zaloom

Anonymous said...

Granny,

To my mind, there's not much difference between wondering about the birth certificate, and instilling suspicion about a person's background--which is exactly what Huck did a couple weeks ago. There's no doubt in my mind it was intentional, as Huck is not an idiot. This is his same old MO: Throw a bomb and then deny.

Huck was trying to play footsie with the birthers, but disparaging Obama's background.

-Martha

Anonymous said...

by, not but.

Anonymous said...

I don't know where Obama was born. However, his mother was a U.S. citizen, and as the son of a citizen, he'd be a citizen even if he were born when she was overseas unless she renounced her citizenship or took some other extraordinary step to make him a non-citizen. The issue is moot, but I won't claim that I know where the guy was born. I won't waste my learning about the issue when nothing is to be gained by doing so.

Granny T said...

Martha,
Let's face it you can't stand Huckabee so you perceive things in an anti-Huckabee view. If Huckabee wanted to line up with the birthers (like Bachmann and Trump have) he'd have a better chance among Republicans since the recent polling show that the majority of the GOP are birthers. Huckabee doesn't agree. He honestly believes that if Obama were born anywhere other than the US Hillary would have released the information and won the nomination. He pointed that out in his book and on the air.

Maybe you're perfect and have never said something you don't mean. I have! - and am constantly thinking about something else while I'm talking and say something totally different than what I meant by including something I was thinking about at the time. Maybe it's an Irish thing???

Huckabee was discussing the topic that he wrote about Kenya in his book that some think has framed Obama's different view of the world. Huckabee gave credit to the person who wrote the original article that he used on page 183 of his book that many rational people knew he got his info from in the first place.

Jonathan said...

This "birther" thing is the dumbest conspiracy since... well, any 9/11 conspiracy. Barack Obama was born in America, he's President of the United States until 2012 when we beat his on the issues, not on stupid, trivial crap.

Anonymous said...

Granny,

Sure I've said plenty of things I shouldn't have said! But I don't believe Huck is stupid.

He went on and on about Obama's worldview because of where he was raised. This is essentially the same thing as questioning his birth. I've been critical of EVERYONE who is doing this--including Newt. I don't think it serves any purpose, and I think it hurts us among independents and fair-minded people.

We should criticize Obama for his actions and policies, NOT where he was raised or born.

Huckabee is very good at raising suspicion. I'm sorry you don't see it. He's most definitely not the golly-shucks guy you think he is! He played this very same "He's not one of us" game against Romney.

It surprises me to learn that I believe Huck is more intelligent than you do.

And, if he is as absent-minded and thoughtless as you claim, then why on earth do you support him for the most important job in the world?

-Martha

PS Granny, I like and respect you very much. You are one of the best people on these forums. But these are my thoughts about Huck.

Anonymous said...

Idiot, Pablo? Here's her credentials, let's see yours???

* Bachmann graduated from Winona State University and later received her J.D. degree from Oral Roberts University and an LL.M. degree in tax law from the William & Mary Law School

* She has raised five children (Lucas, Harrison, Elisa, Caroline, and Sophia), and provided foster care for 23 other children

* Bachmann and her husband own a Christian counseling clinic in Stillwater

* From 1988 to 1993, Bachmann was an attorney representing the I.R.S Chief Counsel Office

* 110th Congress: Elected in 2006, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is the first Republican woman to be elected to the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota.

Granny T said...

Martha,
I know Huckabee is intelligent. He could not have graduated early - with honors - if he weren't intelligent. He doesn't use a teleprompter or have a speech writer. He very seldom even has notes. I just don't believe every comment is as planned and calculated as you seem to think.

I've been told by friends that I need to remember to "engage brain before opening mouth" - maybe I should pass that tidbit of very good advice on to Huckabee.

Anonymous said...

Granny, I do think Huck is prone to gaffes, but what he said about Kenya was not a gaffe. In the interview, he clearly made the point that we can't trust Obama because of where he was raised. It was not just one misspoken line.

-Martha

Winning said...

The Real question is, Is she smarter than Charlie Sheen?

Pablo said...

"Idiot, Pablo? Here's her credentials, let's see yours???"

I don't put my personal info on blogs. But let's just say that I have no problem saying that Obama was born in Hawaii. I also know where Lexington and Concord are.

And by the way, I am conflicted about whether Bachmann is an idiot or whether she just plays one on TV so that she can capture the idiot vote. It's hard to tell. Her recent gaffes lead me to the former.

Pablo said...

"if Mr. Bush did not produce a Birth Certificate, would Democrats start calling Leftists Birthers"

Lol! Mr. Bush did not produce a Birth Certificate. He did even produce a Live Certificate of Birth, which is what Obama has produced. Obama has done more than any president in the history of the United States to prove that he was born in the United States. There is a simple reason why the birthers still don't believe Obama. It is because Obama is a black guy whose middle name is Hussein and who lived in Indonesia during his childhood. And the birthers are a bunch of ignorant racists so naturally they are confused about the evidence.

marK said...

Actually, it is wrong to call anyone an idiot.

"...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matt 5:22)

OhioJOE said...

"He did even produce a Live Certificate of Birth, which is what Obama has produced." Try getting a passport with that. Look, it is wrong to be against Mr. Obama just because he is Black, but most people (on our side at least) oppose him for his policies, not race. Your obsession with his birth is nutty. It is funny that you are not obsessed with Trig Birthers, nor are you obsessed with those who lied about Mr. Bush, Mr. Walker and so forth. Then you wonder why a few people question what side you are on. To be blunt, you truly take the biscuit.

Pablo said...

"Try getting a passport with that."

Lol again. Actually I got a passport with a live certificate of birth. This past time when I was in Mexico and I had to renew my passport, my parents sent me a copy of my live certificate of birth. The same thing that Obama showed to the world.

"but most people (on our side at least) oppose him for his policies, not race."

Not the birthers.

"Your obsession with his birth is nutty. It is funny that you are not obsessed with Trig Birthers, nor are you obsessed with those who lied about Mr. Bush, Mr. Walker and so forth."

Huh? I am not obsessed with his birth. And who is a Trig birther? Other than Andrew Sullivan, I can't think of even mainstream liberal who pushed that? There is no comparable Michele Bachmann on the left.

I have no idea what you are talking about with Bush and Walker so I can't respond to that.

"Then you wonder why a few people question what side you are on. To be blunt, you truly take the biscuit."

NO, I don't wonder why a few people question what side I am on. I am on the side of truth first and foremost. I am not a team player. I WILL NOT back Michele Bachmann when she plays footsie with the birthers. I do not care which team she is on, because I care about truth. This is what is wrong with our system today is that I am supposed to be a rabid partisan. And if I am not, then I am not welcomed on any side.

By the way, the sooner conservatives dump Bachmann, the better they will be. I am promoting conservatism more so than you.

Anonymous said...

I still think that states should require basic proof of what is Constitutionally required from Presidential candidates BEFORE they will put them on the ballot. States certainly do not lack status in these matters, and then the questions will be resolved before they become an issue. By the way, Pablo, I am NOT referring to our current President one way or the other, I just think that we might as well set up a system now to deal with these kinds of questions.

Now, when states decide to do this, they are accused of all kinds of things. I find nothing wrong with requiring necessary documents up front. After all, my birth certificate is required before I get a drivers license or passport.

AZ

Anonymous said...

AZ,

You just failed Pablo's "litmus test." You toed the birther line. You're officially off his list.

Anonymous said...

AZ. then McCain would have had a problem as well, as he was born in the Canal Zone. Where was his 'offical' BC? Huh?

Anonymous said...

It is my understanding that McCain had already dealt with this matter through the courts. He was ruled legitimate to serve as President, although born in Panama, because he was the son of a member of the American military serving overseas. Now, I don't know how everyone else feels about this, but I do not wish to deny the children of American military or embassy staff the rights children born in the US have. People living overseas for purposes other than serving the country should not receive these same privileges.

By the way, I do not like John McCain; he has been my senator for nearly 20 years now, and has called me racist at least once because I cannot understand how we can have comprehensive immigration reform until Congress decides if we have borders or not. Giving people a path to citizenship without deciding that we have borders will only serve to increase our immigration problems, not decrease them.

AZ

Michele said...

People tell me all the time that I don't know Civics. Well DUH I only drive American like a true Patriot!

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