tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post3150986917489714192..comments2024-03-28T07:23:41.917-04:00Comments on RIGHT SPEAK: Universal suffrage: Not always a good ideaBOSMANhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613253160155525089noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-22693027149858488812020-02-07T06:37:49.640-05:002020-02-07T06:37:49.640-05:00Intuit viewmypaycheck is the solution for all your...Intuit viewmypaycheck is the solution for all your tax related query under one website it explain all the process on how to register and how you get your information in very easy language do check the link at <a href="http://viewmypaycheck.co" rel="nofollow">viewmypaycheck</a>Steven Smithhttp://viewmypaycheck.co/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-64719544155752544922019-11-25T01:59:19.989-05:002019-11-25T01:59:19.989-05:00Quickbooks Support is a technical support company ...Quickbooks Support is a technical support company which provides you the better software mainly for accounting purposes.Our software is used by accountants and chartared accountants and they have found happy to use our software and our software is helping them to easily make accounting transactions in a better way.Quickbooks supporthttps://qbsolutions.co/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-7178593297174616412012-12-04T21:33:34.700-05:002012-12-04T21:33:34.700-05:00First of all, universal suffrage is the only way t...First of all, universal suffrage is the only way to protect the rights of the people whom you claim are unqualified to vote. In Africa, the literate people you refer to are the rich, the rich who have become rich off of the accumulation of wealth from profiting off the poor, and in many cases, even fraudulent and criminal activities. The same is true in our country, before women's suffrage, women could not protect their rights because they did not have a say. The same with African American suffrage. I am as frustrated as you are by uneducated voters, but simply put, universal suffrage is the surest way to protect other fundamental rights, at least conceptually. When it comes to the constitution, you have to go with the spirit of it. Democracy is a grand experiment where reality is often different than intent, but it is the intent by which legitimate freedom is measured. Not reality. If we were judged by reality, no country on the planet could ever be free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-27851600627004913142012-05-10T12:50:11.629-04:002012-05-10T12:50:11.629-04:00I appreciated this post. I don't really have ...I appreciated this post. I don't really have an answer, but I find the discussion productive. Thank you for your efforts, John.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-28796640590909742552012-05-10T09:29:41.579-04:002012-05-10T09:29:41.579-04:00"but looking back, maybe it would have been a..."but looking back, maybe it would have been a good idea to limit the suffrage to the 10 % of Zimbabweans who actually know how to read and write?" I would bet that these 10% would be even more likely to vote for their current dictatorial form of government. After all, the so-called educated class voted for Mr. Obama and look what we have.Ohio JOEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487408376861656109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-40208590151666400662012-05-09T21:44:35.610-04:002012-05-09T21:44:35.610-04:00If I believed that the literate citizens of the co...If I believed that the literate citizens of the countries of Africa considered the issues that are relevant to the non-literate citizens, I might agree with you, but I don't believe that.<br /><br />But then, I've never been to Africa. Maybe all of the literate people in Africa are completely dedicated to the rule of law and the betterment of their countries.Noellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13265626733214186809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-33574376209678220562012-05-09T19:06:29.233-04:002012-05-09T19:06:29.233-04:00Noelle, you're comparing apples with oranges. ...Noelle, you're comparing apples with oranges. It is a completely different thing in Africa as people there CAN'T factcheck the claims candidates make. At least in the US they can and are able to if they want to. Unfortunately they don't always do, but they can. They're not helpless, like african voters. <br /><br />Machtyn, it's very interesting that you're bringing it up as I wrote a post about that very thing a couple of months ago: http://www.rightspeak.net/2012/02/why-high-turnout-is-bad-for-democracy.html<br /><br />Basically, I agree with you on the limits to voting. That's another type of limit one could have - my point is, a simple age limit doesn't work very well, in particular not in countries were a huge share of the population aren't educated enough to be informed voters.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13368456662911294140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-44853840183880944112012-05-09T14:50:51.628-04:002012-05-09T14:50:51.628-04:00Voters in the US are frequently being tricked into...Voters in the US are frequently being tricked into voting for things that are ultimately bad for the country and bad for individuals. The ability to read does not prevent politicians from lying or manipulating the electorate.<br /><br />I am almost more tempted to limit suffrage to those who pay taxes. Not totally tempted, but paying taxes does make a person more interested in how their money is being spent.Noellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13265626733214186809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-14443024076888841492012-05-09T11:50:22.674-04:002012-05-09T11:50:22.674-04:00Univ. of Vermont: http://youtu.be/_i1mLF3uMWw
A go...Univ. of Vermont: <a href="http://youtu.be/_i1mLF3uMWw" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/_i1mLF3uMWw</a><br />A good mix of some right and most wrong answers.Machtynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12970086356341341480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-89385194535647326812012-05-09T11:46:37.093-04:002012-05-09T11:46:37.093-04:00Leave it to my history major wife to make the good...Leave it to my history major wife to make the good points.<br /><br />I, too, would like to limit the right to vote to people who are actually paying attention. How often do we hear of the Union bus to the polling station. Along the way they are talking up the Democrat candidate (whether or not he's the best choice). How often do have hoards of uninformed, or half-informed, people lining up to vote in the First "whatever" President or leader.<br /><br />Perhaps a quick 2 or 3 multi-choice question about the major candidates should be administered. If they get one question right, their votes count. If they get none of them correct, throw the ballot out. Questions should be easy - such as "In what state do you live?" "In what state does your representative live?" "[Candidate Name] stands for [hot topic of the day] (T/F):"<br /><br />The questions would be random.<br /><br />Again, though, like Noelle stated, for the USA and other developed nations, Suffrage should be universal at the age of maturity.<br /><br />Youtube search term: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=end+women%27s+suffrage+petition&oq=end+women%27s+suffrage&aq=1&aqi=g9g-m1&aql=&gs_l=youtube-psuggest.3.1.0l9j0i5.243244.243636.0.246045.4.4.0.0.0.0.85.284.4.4.0...0.0." rel="nofollow">end women's suffrage petition</a> Far too many results here. Below are a few.<br />End Women's Suffrage at another school of excellence <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPcthZL2RE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPcthZL2RE</a><br />End Women's Suffrage at Univ. Tampa <a href="http://youtu.be/3KTVW9bj6Bo" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/3KTVW9bj6Bo</a><br />End Women's Suffrage at Winston Churchill High School - a Blue Ribbon Scholarship school <a href="http://youtu.be/6ebpa1YSns8" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/6ebpa1YSns8</a><br />End Women's Suffrage (Most look like high schoolers, but it could be college.) <a href="http://youtu.be/zu1zy2MrsFM" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/zu1zy2MrsFM</a><br />End Women's Suffrage - Mall worker's edition <a href="http://youtu.be/s1oRQApuk4E" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/s1oRQApuk4E</a><br /><br />TO BE FAIR, most of the petitioners were misleading in the video, at times, agreeing with people that answered that suffrage = suffering. I can't find the one really good video where the petitioner was not misleading, made the request in non-confrontational ways, and actually got a few correct responses from ladies. The sad thing is, there are FAR too many people who have graduated high school and do not understand how to be good civic members. I realize we can't be knowledgeable or expert in all things, but if we want to VOTE, we need to understand the issues surrounding our vote.Machtynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12970086356341341480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-34171685683653864102012-05-09T11:39:44.913-04:002012-05-09T11:39:44.913-04:00Thank you for your comment Noelle.
First, I under...Thank you for your comment Noelle.<br /><br />First, I understand this is a very difficult topic. However, I believe that the situation for blacks in the US was different than the situation for blacks in Africa. The US had the power to teach all the black people in the US to read and write, so that they could become informed voters. In many african countries, that's just not the case. <br /><br />This isn't really about voters making a mistake, it's about tricking people into voting for something, people who don't even know what they are voting for as they can't read or write. They are being used and abused by people like Mugabe.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13368456662911294140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-31591046400211096542012-05-09T11:16:06.011-04:002012-05-09T11:16:06.011-04:00It is an interesting discussion. On the one hand, ...It is an interesting discussion. On the one hand, using literacy as a limitation to vote is understandable because the ability to read is helpful to understand the candidates positions. On the other hand, using literacy as a limitation to vote is also a good way to keep the oppressed in that condition. It was used as a justification to prevent blacks from voting during the early days of black suffrage. Make it difficult for them to learn to read, then make literacy a requirement to vote. It's a bad idea.<br /><br />Watching some of the idiotic votes that take place at times I am tempted to suggest limitations on suffrage, but ultimately, it is a right that I cannot feel comfortable limiting. The voters will make mistakes sometimes, as we all do, but hopefully they will also correct those mistakes.Noellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13265626733214186809noreply@blogger.com