tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post2229678329296810521..comments2024-03-18T03:18:46.825-04:00Comments on RIGHT SPEAK: Did Mitt Romney Flip Flop On The Debt Ceiling?BOSMANhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613253160155525089noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-70584415250240596712011-08-20T16:21:05.880-04:002011-08-20T16:21:05.880-04:00Romney doesn't do anything unless it can make ...Romney doesn't do anything unless it can make a difference. Just because he's running for president and the polls are currently in his favor, doesn't mean that he has any influence over what congress does.The congress knew where he stood just as they knew where Sarah Palin stood and it didn't make any difference since neither of them are in the congress. So, to say he's not a leader when it wasn't his place is ridiculous.Lawandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-51193382671040498032011-07-28T18:02:27.565-04:002011-07-28T18:02:27.565-04:00RW, too bad mama grizzy wont be one of his opponen...RW, too bad mama grizzy wont be one of his opponents, at least shes smart enough to realize she lacks a few brain cells for the job. Aren't we about due for one of your rants and F-bombs in defending the queen?..haha sucker!<br /><br />Anon johnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-14194036844146543972011-07-28T14:40:53.120-04:002011-07-28T14:40:53.120-04:00.I'm tickled pink about where he is at in the ...<i>.I'm tickled pink about where he is at in the race</i><br /><br />Martha,<br /><br />Where is he at in the race? Considering that polls mean very little this far out, it seems you're taking the situation for granted. given that Mitt is reportedly already compiling his short list for VP candidates, he apparently is too.<br /><br />The real campaign doesn't start untill fall. Perhaps his opponents will finally flush out his positions by then.Right Wingnuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387554010360328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-23235794764864978972011-07-28T14:36:33.856-04:002011-07-28T14:36:33.856-04:00"Don't worry about Romney, you guys shoul..."Don't worry about Romney, you guys should encourage her to get off her fanny, and start making a difference." HELLO, at least she has the ball to stand up to the Speaker; Mr. Romney, not so much.Ohio JOEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487408376861656109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-54980813805213970012011-07-28T14:33:41.634-04:002011-07-28T14:33:41.634-04:00RW and OJ. Romney said he favors CCB. He signed th...RW and OJ. Romney said he favors CCB. He signed their pledge. He said Boehner is doing great holding the line on taxes. He is. Romney is not part of the ongoing negotiations, nor should be be commenting on houly developements.<br /><br />He's doing everything he can to win in 2012.I'm tickled pink about where he is at in the race, and what he is doing to remain the frontrunner.<br /><br />We can't do anything about spending until we win the WH. Romney is working on that, while Palin fiddles.<br /><br />Don't worry about Romney, you guys should encourage her to get off her fanny, and start making a difference.<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-48102197983043408252011-07-28T14:10:24.226-04:002011-07-28T14:10:24.226-04:00OJ,
Really? Not hiding? What's his take on th...OJ,<br /><br />Really? Not hiding? What's his take on the ongoing negotiations? <br /><br />I suspect he'll endorse Boehner's plan after it's signed into law. That's how Mitt rolls.Right Wingnuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387554010360328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-82366590955618012982011-07-28T13:30:30.814-04:002011-07-28T13:30:30.814-04:00"LOL RW. Romney isn't hiding at all."..."LOL RW. Romney isn't hiding at all." Not, but he has not stood up to the Speaker, unlike my Congressman so far.Ohio JOEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487408376861656109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-55093769432441884282011-07-28T13:06:06.839-04:002011-07-28T13:06:06.839-04:00LOL RW. Romney isn't hiding at all. You really...LOL RW. Romney isn't hiding at all. You really should do more investigating before you post. <br /><br />It's your candidate who is afraid to 'put herself out there in the name of service to this great nation'. <br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-23358278821183607602011-07-28T12:18:49.684-04:002011-07-28T12:18:49.684-04:00Jax,
Care to explain why your candidate is hiding...Jax,<br /><br />Care to explain why your candidate is hiding under his desk during the most pivitol policy debate of the year?<br /><br />If not, STFU.Right Wingnuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387554010360328076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-5641668776363859652011-07-28T12:02:46.840-04:002011-07-28T12:02:46.840-04:00What the freaking crap kind of post is this? How ...What the freaking crap kind of post is this? How did someone with such a small brain ever get the right to make front page posts here? It is a sad commentary on the quality of this site that this kind of nonsense gets highlighted here.Jaxemer11noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-70106860465326035012011-07-28T11:37:38.148-04:002011-07-28T11:37:38.148-04:00Jersey, thanks. I think the things she suggesting ...Jersey, thanks. I think the things she suggesting are simply not realistic. They sound great, though.<br /><br />I have no doubt that if Palin were in Boehner's position, she would be doing exactly the same things he's doing. She was a very pragmatic governor, and worked with Democrats all the time.<br /><br />Anyway, we've all got bigger fish to fry right now. Perry is a nutjob, and he's actually more close to running than Palin. I don't think he will stop her from running if she has her mind made up. Things should get interesting.<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-46439747935224515842011-07-28T07:39:19.936-04:002011-07-28T07:39:19.936-04:00"OJ, if you punish the GOP, you will get 4 mo..."OJ, if you punish the GOP, you will get 4 more years of disaster." And if we do not punish the GOP, we could get more than 4 years of disaster.<br /><br />"A little pragmatism is a good thing."<br /> We are pragmatic, it is their turn to show pragmatism. Boehmer 1.0 was pragmatic enough, we do not need 2.0.Ohio JOEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487408376861656109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-44702669636470122152011-07-28T06:50:07.570-04:002011-07-28T06:50:07.570-04:00BTW, in your 4th paragraph I did notice that you w...BTW, in your 4th paragraph I did notice that you were still trying to say that she kinda flip flopped...luckily in your 1st paragraph you cleared of her that charge...<br /><br />jerseyrepublicanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-76294468690276580492011-07-28T06:46:57.633-04:002011-07-28T06:46:57.633-04:00Thank you Martha. I obviously do not agree with th...Thank you Martha. I obviously do not agree with the totality of your statement but it's a start. I didn't take that statement to mean anything other than what she said. If it's going to be passed anyway, then she supports Cut, Cap and Balance. I think that's a pretty reasonable place to be.<br /><br />I don't think she is naive...she has cut a budget in times of surplus. Once again you refer to her platitude comments from the past. You are choosing to see the Palin you want to see. She stated that you can cut the Energy Department and other departments. She also said that it would be a temporary fix until a more balanced budget is introduced.<br /><br />BUT...I cannot look a gift horse in the mouth. I take back that you lied about this...I think you sometimes read what you want to read about Palin because your anti-Palin side takes over.<br /><br />To make it clear...before we start singing Kumbaya...I disagree with you last two paragraphs but it's a conversation I am willing to have. I would rather keep the donchaknows out of the conversation but I can't expect a miracle...right?<br /><br />jerseyrepublicanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-55645215123184072282011-07-28T00:47:58.686-04:002011-07-28T00:47:58.686-04:00Jersey,
To begin with, I brought up Palin in this...Jersey,<br /><br />To begin with, I brought up Palin in this conversation because I believe she is far more open to the flip-flop charge here than Romney is. But after re-reading all of her statements, I think my flip-flop charge was not exactly accurate.<br /><br />But she wants her cake and to eat it too. She wants to be able to spout the 'hells no' line, but at the same time saying she would accept raising it under certain conditions.<br /><br />PALIN: "It's -- if I were in Congress, I WOULD NOT VOTE TO INCUR MORE DEBT, not under this president. I -- I do not trust him.<br />However, as I've gone on record saying previously, I believe that it will be increased, because too many in Congress believe that the -- the president must have that allowance of increasing the debt.<br />So, having said that, WHAT I WOULD ACCEPT, knowing that it's going to be increased anyway, is DeMint's plan to cut the cap and to balance our budget.<br /><br />In other words, she adamantly says she WOULD NOT vote to raise it, but then she says she WOULD accept raising it if cut cap and balance were passed.<br /><br />She's naive to think that we can avoid default and pay the bills without raising the debt ceiling. She hasn't got a clue about how to solve the problem other than her familiar and vague 'common sense solutions;, and 'not retreating', don't you know! <br /><br />So actually, it would be better for her to flip-flop than to spout the nonsensical things she's saying. She’s on the sidelines, and not on the field, so she can be as irresponsible with her suggestions as she wants to be.<br /><br />That is why I much prefer what Romney is doing.<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-68906818047601686532011-07-27T22:53:58.404-04:002011-07-27T22:53:58.404-04:00OJ, if you punish the GOP, you will get 4 more yea...OJ, if you punish the GOP, you will get 4 more years of disaster. <br /><br />You have to see the big picture. Vindication is not more important that doing what is best in the long haul. A little pragmatism is a good thing.<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-30251067502087658482011-07-27T22:14:44.600-04:002011-07-27T22:14:44.600-04:00"a half a pie is better than nothing." ..."a half a pie is better than nothing." But we really even getting a piece of the crust. Further, the fact that the Speaker, Mr. Ryan and Mr. Cantor behaved like spoiled children today is reason enough to punish the GOP.Ohio JOEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487408376861656109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-91553590926825975212011-07-27T21:25:03.627-04:002011-07-27T21:25:03.627-04:00OJ, no. I'm not content to compromise with Oba...OJ, no. I'm not content to compromise with Obama. My goal would be for the House to be united and pass the best thing they can pass. Then the Democrats can sign it or be blamed for default. <br /><br />It necessitates that not everyone in the House will be perfectly satisfied, but as Bosman says, a half a pie is better than nothing.<br /><br />We can work on the rest of the pie when we win the WH and Senate. Until then we should not shoot ourselves in the foot, and lose in 2012.<br /><br />You see, we both want the same thing, OJ. We just have a different view of how to get there. I believe my idea is based on reality.<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-75369696718321821442011-07-27T19:27:17.876-04:002011-07-27T19:27:17.876-04:00"Don't we already have enough? We cannot ..."Don't we already have enough? We cannot put this off any longer." Unfortunately, Doug and Martha have not had enough spending and are content to compromise with Mr. Obama.Ohio JOEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487408376861656109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-77804008835274947112011-07-27T16:43:23.387-04:002011-07-27T16:43:23.387-04:00Doug, she implicityly said that "we cannot de...Doug, she implicityly said that "we cannot default." It's right there in the transcript. If we do not raise the debt ceiling...it doesn't mean we'll default...Geithner even admitted to that.<br /><br />She also never said the cuts would be easy.<br /><br />At some point we must make cuts...why not now? <br /><br />The debt ceiling really is just an arbitrary number, as long as we service the debt we will not lose our credit rating.<br /><br />Why raise the debt limit...the whole point of raising the debt limit is to accrue more debt. <br /><br />Don't we already have enough? We cannot put this off any longer.<br /><br />jerseyrepublicanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-68582708615935169962011-07-27T16:18:10.625-04:002011-07-27T16:18:10.625-04:00I probably should have called out Doug for using t...I probably should have called out Doug for using the same exact example...but I think he might have a comprehension issue...hahaha...just kidding Doug!!! I also know he was just trying to get back at RW for writing this piece to begin with. And we already have too much bad blood.<br /><br />jerseyrepublican <br /><br />July 27, 2011 1:34 PM <br />-----------------<br /><br />Pretty close to the truth there, I don't have a comprehension problem and I was being a little snarky to even the field with tone of the original post. ;)<br /><br />Regarding Plain's comments on the Hannity show, while there may not be actual flip-floppery there, she made some statements that might come back to haunt her. Her position about not believing the the consequences of default are somewhat reckless and showy. Showy in the sense, she likes to present that gutsy "No retreat, reload" bravado, which her fans expect, but she can't guarantee there won't be negative effects should we default. If there is default and some negative fallout, she has set herself up to look ill-informed, out of touch and extreme. Qualities she doesn't need to branded with. (Unless of course you are not planning to stage a national campaign.)<br /><br />In addition, I find the whole line of thought about how we can pay to keep everything going on the $200 billion a month which is generated, is problematic as well.<br /><br />When you read the transcript (maybe it plays different on the video, I'll have to watch it later) it seems Hannity is pointing out to her, with only $39 Billion leftover after debt service, SS checks, Defense, etc., many other vital programs wouldn't have enough money not to be cut. Palin's response is pretty weak, suggesting the Dem & Rep now start reforming things. At this juncture I don't view that as a realistic expectation. Even if we take control of the Senate or WH in 2012, there would be very pitched battles every step of the way. So comes off as half baked to me. <br /><br />So while she may not flip-flop, I found her positions to be, shall we say, a little scattered, when it comes to actually crafting a deal. <br /><br />Which is why all the 2012ers should stay out of this fight. They really have no ability to effect the outcome and have a lots of downside potential. Romney's CCB line against Obama, while sounding good, should also be filed in the "I'll beleive it when I see it" folder. To think Obama would inreality, cut spending, cap it and push for a BBA is a pipe dream. Romney is right though in suggesting a Right-minded President would do such a thing.<br /><br />I think that's the impression he, and other who make such statements, hope the voters are left with.Doug NYC GOPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457483710583021449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-49513811319884981282011-07-27T15:32:48.213-04:002011-07-27T15:32:48.213-04:00Jersey, so that's the lie you found? Ha ha.
T...Jersey, so that's the lie you found? Ha ha.<br /><br />The 'royalty' is in effect a tax. I believe the law even calls it that. That is not a lie, it's a difference of opinion about what to call the tax. My point in that whole argument was that I didn't care what you called it, the effects are the same whether it is called a royalty, or a tax.<br /><br />There is not, and has never been any fiction/lie in anything I say about Palin. Not even the trig truther stuff. I said the pics and story line didn't make sense to me. That's all.<br /><br />-Martha<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-89154697606174287222011-07-27T15:25:39.601-04:002011-07-27T15:25:39.601-04:00Martha, I never said I didn't like you. but th...Martha, I never said I didn't like you. but there is a difference between a strong opinion and a false statement. It's just like the ACES comment that it is a windfall tax...when it is factually not a windfall tax...it's a royalty. There is no opinion necessary. There is just fact and fiction. When it comes to Palin you're often on the fiction side.<br /><br />jerseyrepublicanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-85636175716926162422011-07-27T15:20:20.876-04:002011-07-27T15:20:20.876-04:00Jersey, I don't have time right now to go back...Jersey, I don't have time right now to go back and re-read everything. Why can't you write a post? Bosman would love you to get on board here. If you think I'm lying, prove it.<br /><br />Tonight, I will go back and listen to the interview, and read everything. If I'm wrong I will gladly say so. It's possible I misread her points. <br /><br />The thing that bothers me Jersey, is that we've been around each other for over 3 years. You know me, and I pretty much know you. I don't see how you can continually call me a liar with a straight face. You know I don't lie, and so does everyone else who's been around. I like you, and I don't appreciate you making these accusations time and again.<br /><br />-Martha<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3571954475140446599.post-44044086010797190162011-07-27T15:17:16.362-04:002011-07-27T15:17:16.362-04:00Also, guys. Prove I lied once. I haven't. Go b...Also, guys. Prove I lied once. I haven't. Go back to the old race days and find one lie. Or find one here.<br /><br />I haven't, and I don't. I have opinions. You don't like them. Deal.<br /><br />-MarthaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com